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What is the advantage
« on: July 28, 2019, 10:23:33 PM »
I see many coils with 2 toroids, one larger and one small. What is the advantage of this. Thanks again.

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Re: What is the advantage
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2019, 03:41:48 PM »
There are two reasons. Most of the time, someone is just trying to add more capacitance to the top load without going to the trouble of building a single larger toroid. Another possible reason for adding a smaller toroid below a larger one is to bring the electromagnetic  field closer to the top of the secondary coil to provide more protection against streamers striking the secondary.
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Re: What is the advantage
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 12:13:47 AM »
That sounds reasonable. Thanks again.

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Re: What is the advantage
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2019, 07:40:44 PM »
A third reason is also to raise up the top toroid, to gain more distance between the toroid from where the streamers come out and the primary coil/strike rail/ground, a smaller diameter near the top of the secondary coil will also have a stronger electrical field that helps prevent corona discharge and streamers from the top turn of the secondary coil if there is a too large distance from that and topload.
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Re: What is the advantage
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 02:28:41 AM »
A third reason is also to raise up the top toroid, to gain more distance between the toroid from where the streamers come out and the primary coil/strike rail/ground, a smaller diameter near the top of the secondary coil will also have a stronger electrical field that helps prevent corona discharge and streamers from the top turn of the secondary coil if there is a too large distance from that and topload.



Thanks for another good tip, takes long time to fully understand all the in's and out's. Would it be like if at the top of the secondary I had a 10 inch giraffe neck that it would be to my advantage to have a smaller turtle neck below the bigh toroid on top of the 10 inch gap for the reasons you stated. Thanks.
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Re: What is the advantage
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 06:00:24 PM »
Most people with SGTCs just use a single toroid mounted at the proper height to shield the top turns of the secondary from corona or sparks. My 8.6" pig-powered coil just has a single 30" x 9" aluminum toroid with no problem.
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Re: What is the advantage
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2019, 09:15:36 PM »
JAVATC allows for multiple top loads in the input. You can try your different ideas and see what they do.
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