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Dual resonant, but why not go triple?
« on: August 15, 2018, 10:26:49 AM »
If you check Tesla's patents in regards to his multiplying transfromer and some related stuff you might notice something weird.
We usually use one primary and one secondary coil.
Tesla used three coils all up...
Look really close and you see the secondary is actually one topload and two coils.
But where the heck is our capacitor in the primary circuit?
Now try to to ignore the confusion I will cause now...
Tesla said it would be a MAGNIFYING transformer.
And that is in both the electrical and resonant term.
Without a capacitor in the primary circuit the coil would have been with enough self capacitance to make it work or opertate on its self resonant frequency.
Bit hard to do with the tech at the time and no computers to calculate relations.
But what if a similar or identically tuned tesla transormer was the power source??
The toload would act as the missing capacitor.
In a double tuned system the coils would also act as an antenna so we amplify electrictiy and resonant or harmonic connections.
All up to a factor of 4.
Three coils form the energy triangle.
Two identical but different and "opposing" transformers.
Linked through two toploads and harmonic/resonant connections.
Find the right frequency and energy levels and M becomes irrelevant in E=MC² ;)
But I guess it is just coincidence that both knew each other end had their breakthroughs after exchanging enough of their equal but opposing theories.
Einstein missed why C is also C² and opposite and equal to M or mass.
He was happy to know "what" energy is in math in the most simple form.
Tesla created electricity as we know it as a substitute and link for and to replace or create energy through harmony and resonance.
He tried but never made the final link between energy and resonanc/harmony a reality.
They both tried to use math to explain the circlebut both missed parity to make it complete.
In the impossible case that someone was able to follow and understand this:
You will certainly agree that the systems need a relation for harmony?
If so than you would have figured out that both system need these relation for itself, for their interaction and as whole to work as expected?
This includes physical, electrical and frequency relations.
But also distances, lenghts a positions to each other and as a whole.
You see the pattern already? ;)
1/ and 3/4 is the short answer otherwise E could never equal MC² ;) ...
« Last Edit: August 15, 2018, 10:34:42 AM by Downunder35m »

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Re: Dual resonant, but why not go triple?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2018, 11:13:26 AM »
I am lost in all this. If Einstein and Tesla could not, there is no reason for me to even try :)

You do know about Tesla magnifier coils? Many people have build these 3 coil setups.
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Re: Dual resonant, but why not go triple?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2018, 06:36:54 PM »
I some quesions about tripple resonant systems that I wanted to find out is voltage amplification. what I found is that a well tuned drsstc is about 100 with a signal generator and scope and I have not found any advantages so far. one of the problems with it is that the tuning gets more complicated with more individual resonant peaks. what I have a hard time undestanding is spark length is a function of power not bridge voltage or current persay but a combination. how your tesla is constructed has a role to play, I feal but who can prove that a horizontal or virtical primary close to secondary is better. moast of the big coils use flat horizontal primaries I think to reduce arcing but there lots of styles used. this also goes with other pars of your coil like the type of caps use or the shape of your secondary. I am more of the idea that big sparks require big power. how well your abilities and resorcess you have detrmin the results.

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Re: Dual resonant, but why not go triple?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2018, 12:31:11 AM »
I am a bit lost too, that is why I asked ;)
Not finnished with my book yet but I will try to explain why we "modern" people fail to find the connection.
Humas are notoriously lazy and happy for a long time once they created something great.
Take the car....
We observed nature and the universe for our first big inventions like the wheel.
Later we found more and more things in nature that are important but wee needed a way to express, understand and to put into into a language.
Math was "discovered" - it tanslates what can see, feel and hear in nature into something we can handle.
One and one makes two...
two times two equals four...
Add decimal parity and most basic math already forks fine.
Later we needed stuff like volumes, areas, angles to "invent" more complext structures and technology.
As a result all we know from nature was put into relating formulas, sequences, "fixed" numbers.
The laws of physics, the golden ratio, binary systems and parity, Fibonacci sequence, sine waves!
But the lazy human stopped evolving math the same way he discovered the connections in nature through observation.
The "simple" math was just expanded by more and more complex formulas.
We tried and still try to understand the energy triangle in nature but at least Einsten found the formula E=MC² to put it into a mathematically useful form.
No matter what, math will always be our translator for nature.
So a lot of possible pathways that nature provides us allow us to theorise about how things should be and develop technology to make it real.
Or to fail and find out where our math was wrong.
Technology however is based on the same flawed math that we simplyfied and now no longer care about but we invented calculators and computers to do it for us.
We used to visualise math back in the days...
Ruler like calculators to use sliders to show the relations in trigonometry.
tables to show us relations between certain sequences and fixed numbers like Pi and other "constants".
We ignore nature and also lost the visual aids that previously helped because using modern technolgy is faster.
We learn more and more to unlearn math by making it easier to use it.
And our modern understanding of technology does the same to us.
We copied the binary system from nature to create calculators but we ignored to add harmony and resonance to it ;)
And because we are lazy we also reduced the basic function to ZERO and ONE instead of including our well know laws of physics, seqeunces and harmonic spirals.
It works, so why bother, we just write enough code to compensate and again base it on the already lazy and flawed math that has lost harmony and resonance.

If Einstein and Tesla worked together as close as history make us think then they obviously exchanged ideas and theories.
If you put our understand of the most basic math into a circle then we end up with the energy triangle 369, the parity numbers 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5 and two circles that also form a perfect sine wave.
Both genius minds had the same common language: math.
One was driven to explain energy, the other tried to understand harmony and resonance and invented electricity to prove his version.
If math is the common language (like we learned a second language like french in school) than the the other tow, energy and harmony/resonance can be translated.
Of course there will always things that get a bit out of context or just won't ranslate properly.
We know that when we try use online service to translate lets say a chinese website...
So it is no wonder they both came to their big breakthroughs around the same time...
And is we look really close....
E=MC² ,C is the speed of light, a "fixed" number.
It is also a frequency, a wavelenght, energy...
It is harmonic and resonant.
Einstein might have failed to explain why C² is the same as mass, but 369 shows mass is nothing but a form of energy.
He explained the triangle without putting E M and C onto the corresponding 3, 6 and 9.
He was happy to have solved it, we just needed to figure it out too ;)
But if C and M are both the same, the opposite and their sum then harmony and resonance can replace both for the use in math.
And for electricity in harmony and resonance it means there is no loss, there is no chaos.
And in a resonant system all energies would amplify.
Since at this stage it would still lack the parity harmony and resonace translate the missing link.
This explains why Tesla was also obsessed with the ratios 1/4 and 3/4 - which becomes obvious once you bring the sine wave, or Yin and Yang in relation to 369.

And for those simple above reasons I came to the conclusion that a transformer as in Tesla's late patent is only half of the patent.
It can only work with a tuned Tesla transformer as the power source.
And it has to be in a 1/4 3/4 ratio to work as described in the patent.
There is no way around it with math and E=MC².
Both system must share two links.
The topload of the power source and the individual RF fields from both individual transformer.
Otherwise 369 would not be complete as in E=MC².
And Yin and Yang or our sine wave just proves it ;)
Or why else would Tesla have made the step from mechanical resonance (mass) to electrical?
Mass is energy, so invent AC electricity as a form of energy to replace it.
Quite obvious if you thing about it the way nature shows us, instead of using a flawed math system to understand it ;)

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Re: Dual resonant, but why not go triple?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2018, 03:00:46 AM »
Dude, you seriously need to get your science in order

Please stop with all of the 3,6,9 tesla Einstein bs
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Re: Dual resonant, but why not go triple?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2018, 06:17:41 AM »
And for electricity in harmony and resonance it means there is no loss, there is no chaos.
And in a resonant system all energies would amplify.

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