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Hi!
I finally did it and find all mistakes as I think...







Schematic now looks that:



I need to put one more resistor between R24 and C38. It separates from distortions or trapezium waveform, caused by zener diodes. Phase lead I can smoothly regulate by R11 and it’s enough in my case. Values of all components are very high in my case but I wanted run it first time on 12V power supply to not destroy anything. It was done only for educational purposes, before I make power supply from grid and run my Tesla coil. I want to do phase lead tuning on input stage unlike Predikter where constant phase lead need to be delayed.
Thanks for attention:)

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Hi!

A little time passed but I found problem why I cannot did phase lead properly.
In low power arrangement where current transformer has one section there is necessary to add in serial to CT resistor. Without it phase lead is impossible. I did just like below:



Resistor has to be about 1K and 5W or  little more to keep safe level from overheat. I used 100uH choke as coil and 200R variable resistor. I got zero cross but strange thing happened.
First half wave seems to be fine, but in every next cycle phase lead get disappear and time delay is getting greater. I suppose that is caused by choke which I used and it’s not intended to this type operation. I added 1uF capacitor which makes work of AD790 more stable. At first cycle it likes to oscillate regardless from voltage offset at second input...
 
To set ZCS I just using variable resistor. Coil has 100uH and looks exactly like this:



I suppose I need something like this:



About FET’s. I used them but system will be feeded up to 24V just like ZVS induction heaters. It’s just did for educational purposes only and in further I want to use IGBT’s.

5V zener clamping diodes works fine just like signal diodes. I had never lost any AD790 at this moment:) Only keep in mind to not overcurrent them...

Scope screens:





At this moment I need to find why I got this strange delay...
I suppose wrong type of burden coil...






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In mentioned schematic what exactly is responsible for phase lead?
After C1 is marked where is lead but what makes it?
Only C1 and his capacity?
C1 with R4 and their relationship of values?
R3 and C2 paralelly seems to make phase lag, because we have already phase lead after C1?
What for is R7 and why their resistance is so large?
Schematic seems to be matched for single power supply comparator, so it shouldn't be problem to fit for dual power supply comparator?

I want to make simulations in Spice and need to know what in this schematic is necessary to make phase lead...
How simulations are credible in that case where we looking for proper phase lead? We cannot have in reality get ideal conditions of some things like current source, parasitic properties of components etc...

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Hi!
Did You check these simulations in reality?
Does results are quite similar like results of simulations?

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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: Waveform Questions
« on: August 16, 2021, 09:33:07 AM »
I suppose but not sure that spikes and oscillations at first cycles are depends from comparator. Sometimes they need more attention, because when inputs are not properly balanced then comparator start to oscillate. Check by scope output/s of Your comparator and then should be clear...


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I don't see anything wrong. Current leads voltage, because You have not phase lead. ZCS lag is mostly similar and depends from electronic components used in construction. You need to do phase lead. If Fres will lower then angle of lag will be lower also. (time of delay electronic components is same). If Fres will be higher then angle of lag will higher too.
Have You tried to do phase lead?

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Thanks davekni!
Your posts is helpfull:-)
My CT is single stage and at this moment I don’t want excess 300A absolutely. I suppose that is impossible in 12V power supply. It just first step for me to make fully proper work of logic.

I do some changes in my AD790 input and I hope correct scope measurements:






 
I put two resistors 180 ohms to check what happen. One man said me that to make possible phase lead the waveform has to be fully sine. Distorted sine wave in any way cannot be leaded.
I did measurments of bridge voltage (1 blue color on diagram) and current yellow directly on terminals of CT connected to AD790. On terminals in front of R2 180 ohms I have fully sine wave, but through I have distorted by 15V zener diodes what is correct. Some strange thing is with negative half wave, because it has about 8-12 volt. I can remove R2 and feedback works/excites but then I have distorted wave in all circuit.

Questions:
1.   Now measurements of scope are correct?
2.   If low value of R24 delays phase lead then is necessary to put some resistance in series like R2 to prevent wave from distortions and limits input current for AD790 but not to large what I suppose delays the signal?
3.    I have not galvanic isolation between logic state and power state. Everything is on the one board. Can it make any unwanted coupling or influence?
4.   You mentioned about 50 ohms resistor and about 30uH coil with 30 ohms reactance. In my LC circuit frequency is about 70-75 kHz so parameters of the burden coil are depend from frequency. There are inductance, resistance, capacity inductance/resistance, own resonant frequency... I thing any simulation would be helpfull to find or design best coil for it?

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Hi!
Yellow trace is current measured from same CT used for feedback.
Blue trace is voltage measured on fullbridge inverter.
Current transformer has 60 windings on TX32/19-3E25 Ferroxcube core (white painted with orange one side).
Summarizing:
1. Zener diodes 0.5W gives poor protection and are harmful in any way for (distort/delay) signal?
2. Current transformer may not give to much current and voltage, because power stage is feeded from 12V supply until I make proper phase adjustment.
3. AD790 configuration seems to be fine and I based on predikter driver. Should I something to change?
4. In R24 case higher resistance gives more delay of phase lead?
5. It is good to use instead R24, R1 and Burden Coil use RF choke with high L and R just like this kind of chokes:
https://www.bourns.com/data/global/pdfs/70f_series.pdf
6.  I'm just only struggling in innsufficient phase lead. Some people in Russia founded for it special calculator, but I don't know russian and cannot understand how to use it:
https://tqfp.org/calculatoria/sd_predictor/?f=80&t_predict=300&r_predict=50&r_delay=1k
 

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Hi!
I decided to use AD790 comparator in my first project of DRSSTC.
Below is circuit of the input stage of the AD790:



I have some strange behavior with my input and problem to get enough phase lead to achieve zero current switching. I need to put 150 ohms in place R24 (burden resistor), because if I put much lower value like 1 ohm or few ohms the all stuff doesn’t run/excite. With 100 ohms of R24 layout will run but slightly with worse performance.  I need to put also R5 potentiometer, primarily to set proper adjustment/delay but if in these place is no any resistance also layout doesn’t want to excite. There need to be between few hundred ohms to 1K or little more.
 Zener diodes cuts excessive voltage to prevent input of AD790 from damage. Maybe they do any shortcut of signal but I’m afraid to remove them and then destroy AD790.
It is conditions before attempts tuning phase lead...
I tried several combinations of burden L and R, but mentioned 150 ohms of R24 and inductor like axial choke which has 1.2mH inductance and 16.9 ohms of resistance. It gives me best results at this time but it is not sufficient. Before tuning I had more than 500nS delay, after add 1.2mH 16.9R inductor I have about 200nS delay. I want achieve perfect zero switching to avoid destroy my power transistors at full power. I run everything on 12V to prevent from any damage.

Below screens of scope before and after my attempts to compensate delay in 1.2mH 16.9R inductor and 150R parallely...
There still 200nS delay but spikes are much smaller...



Anybody had similar problem or know how to solve it?
It is possible to make computer simulation to find best burden L and R or L/R?
Maybe exist any calculator to find best values?
Any advice will be very helpfull...


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Hi Everyone!

From some long time I’m going to make DRSSTC power supply for Tesla coil, which resonant frequency will have about 180-220khz. I want make fullbridge at IGBT’s in TO247 packages. At this stage I shouldn’t have problems, because I did some coils and SSTC drivers.
Back to the topic of DRSSTC I had read all present in Internet website articles about DRSSTC drivers also in order to not ask too obvious, trivial and clear questions which may to litter forum topics.
One thing which for me is not too clear from component side is proper arrangement CT and phase lead section. I did working prototype driver based on Steve Ward Driver schematic with phase lead below:



I decided to make this driver, because it seems to be easy for me.
Driver is working with power section feeded from 12V supply to begin from safe level but I cannot reach phase lead. I have 400ns delay with time of switching in relation to tank current. Regardless that my frequency of tank has 50khz or 100khz switching delay is same and is about 400-500 nS. It is normal behavior resulted from natural time delays of logic and power sections?
When in this circuit I want to apply phase lead in same way like in schematic I got huge voltage drop which causes that my driver cannot work properly at all. If I put much larger values of burden L and/or R then I cannot reach phase lead and 1K (5W) resistor near clamp diodes gets very hot.
For me is not critical to stay with Schmitt trigger as feedback buffer. It may be any other fast comparator like LM311P, AD790, AD8561, LM306P, MAX941/2 etc. (I prefer THT package). I tried this solution, because it seems to me most safe for logic and is very silmilar like in SSTC which I done...
In conclusion I need to do proper feedback section step by step. If I want at this moment make fullbridge on TO247 IGBT about 200khz resonant frequency coil  what should be done with:
1.   What is the best core for current transformer? (core material, Al, dimensions, manufacturer).
2.   How many turns should have current transformer? (For low/medium power DRSSTC)
3.   It is necessary to schmitt/comparator input give current limiting resistor (like 1K) in series?
4.   Maybe trivial question but clamp diodes for protecting input also?
5.   What values should have burden resistor and coil how important is mutual relationship beetwen burden resistance and inductance?
6.   What type of burden coil is the best: aerial or with core? It seems to me more suitable to make phase lead only by this without making any delaying section with pots. (like in predikter driver).
7.   Does  comparator LM311P is good for low/medium power of DRSSTC?
8.    It is good idea to make feedback and OCD from one core? (One core is wounded UTP bifilar wire?)
9.   Any tips what is important and need to be take account in input/current feedback section will be very thankfull.
10. Any good examples of input arrangement for input schmitt/comparator...

Best Wishes!


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Best greetings for all HV Community!
My name is Chris. I'm from Poland. I'm phisioterapist.
After ours I love to tinker in electronics, mainly with Tesla coils and stuff related with it...
I have some experience with making Tesla coils and power supply for them.
I did SGTC, SSTC, ZVS, Slayer-Kacher, Push Pull, E-Class, Flyback transformers which average power not exceeding 1kW.
My main goal at this moment is make DRSSTC driver of coursly with phase correction ZCS which be able to power medium and large coils.
This would be my main topic which I will be interested in and ask questions.

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alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 03:40:00 AM

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