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Offline Hysteresis

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Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« on: September 14, 2024, 02:19:01 AM »
I know this is an old topic but is there anyone that does NOT believe in doing this? I just got a bigger toroid and retuned my coil today. New Fs=86.1KHz and Fp set to 82.0KHz.  It's a big outdoor coil 6000watts.  I'll be firing it up Monday night 9-16-2024.

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2024, 09:09:23 PM »
Tuning your primary 5-10% lower than your secondary, will help grow longer arcs, as you that way accomodate for the spark load on the secondary. Large sparks will pull the frequency nearer to the primary and thus grow them even longer. It does however also take higher voltage/longer on-time before you grow sparks, with heavy detuning.

You can show it in practise very easily with a string of copper wire. Thin wire, non enameled, like the length of your spark. You can even add some 5-6 branches of copper wire. Now measure your secondary and you can see the load of the copper wire dropped the secondary resonant frequency.

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2024, 11:21:54 PM »
You can use JAVATC to model a long streamer and see the effect on primary and secondary tuning.
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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2024, 01:51:14 PM »
I ran the coil last night with the bigger toroid 36x8, it work super good! I think it even better then the smaller toroid. Tuning was Fs=89.1KHz, Fp=83KHz.

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2024, 07:46:31 PM »
What spark length were you getting? Any pictures?
It has been my experience that big toroids are always better because they reduce the effect of spark loading dropping the secondary frequency, and you want to tune the primary to the loaded frequency of the secondary.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2024, 07:49:31 PM by Benjamin Lockhart »

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2024, 12:59:02 AM »
Tesla coil and a bad moon rising. About 8.5 feet.

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2024, 01:06:17 AM »
One more photo of moon and coil.

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2024, 02:44:28 AM »
Great images!  Thank you for sharing.
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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2024, 04:05:26 AM »
Over exposed photo from last night. Last one I promise.

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2024, 11:20:06 PM »
Very nice! that looks almost the same as my DRSSTC which has the same exact size toroid and does 8.5 feet.
What did you use to take the pictures?
This is a video still.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2024, 11:24:21 PM by Benjamin Lockhart »

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Re: Setting The Primary Frequency Lower Then The Secondary.
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2024, 11:53:52 PM »
Hi Benjamin. I want a big DRSSTC like yours! The photos were taken with a Nikon D7500 DSLR.

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