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Super flat QCW simulation (does this look reasonable?)
« on: February 29, 2024, 12:56:32 AM »
Hello, I want to build a super flat QCW coil to fit into a fake book. I'm wondering if my simulation and tunings look reasonable to folks here? The primary is Litz and the secondary will be a 200mm OD flat PCB coil with C0G ceramic caps soldered on the back side to make a secondary resonant tank. I simulated in both the time domain and the frequency domain. I'd like to get secondary impedance higher but I can't physically make the coil any finer on the PCB. I'm running at the lower pole in this simulation as you can see. Any obvious issues before I order boards?




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Re: Super flat QCW simulation (does this look reasonable?)
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2024, 07:04:35 PM »
Here's my continued work on this project (really just documenting it so I don't forget my thinking lol...)

I re-tuned the resonant tanks and decided to switch to the high pole and use a PLL to lock to the high pole. It seems like using a PSFB tends to force the higher pole anyway - I guess due to more energy being present at higher harmonics during low duty cycles. The secondary will now be a flat 250mm spiral using the top and bottom of a PCB to get the resistance lower. My secondary impedance will still be a good deal lower than it would be had I designed with a normal cylindrical winding as everyone else uses. We will see if this causes problems. I'm hopeful it just results in higher secondary losses due to the higher current as well as less streamer detuning.

I simulated this thing and seem to have soft switching on both legs of the bridge? I thought this was not possible? Spice file attached. Currently using CoolMOS C7 as Quorvo models don't want to converge.

I'm about to order the board I think.



« Last Edit: March 13, 2024, 07:10:52 PM by toooldforthis »

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Re: Super flat QCW simulation (does this look reasonable?)
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2024, 05:03:41 AM »
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I simulated this thing and seem to have soft switching on both legs of the bridge? I thought this was not possible?
Yes, it is possible and desirable.  With correct dead time phasing, one FET turns off, remaining (small) primary current causes Vds to rise, then opposite FET turns on as its Vds approaches 0V.

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Currently using CoolMOS C7 as Quorvo models don't want to converge.
Yes, some models have trouble converging, especially IGBT models.  Often the old LTSpice IV converges much better than any version since then.  I use LTSpice IV most of the time.  Haven't found any advantage to newer releases.
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Re: Super flat QCW simulation (does this look reasonable?)
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2024, 11:08:14 PM »
Well the driver board seems to work and the PFC has been designed but not yet ordered. I wrote code for a "WIO Terminal" to output 200kHz PWM that gets low pass filtered into the ramp. The board produces variable phase offsets between its two inputs as you can see in the scope shots below.

I'm using a signal generator to provide a 400kHz reference ATM.

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Re: Super flat QCW simulation (does this look reasonable?)
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2024, 06:37:40 PM »
Nice and clean construction, and using C0G caps as part of the secondary assembly is pretty neat.

On the PLL side, I strongly recommend against using PD2 for resonant loads, or any case where the two inputs to the PLL are frequency locked. PD2 depends on slip cycles for operation, which doesn't happen in cases where both inputs are derived from the same source (one is the VCO output, the other is the VCO output shifted by +- 90 degrees by the DRSSTC plant). PD2 has 12 states, and three paths involving a transition of both inputs. Only one of these paths leads to the frequency being commanded in the right direction, so this can lead to lockup in cases where noise glitches pushes it into the wrong cycle, or where it happens to start up in the wrong one. PD1 works well, if you keep in mind the wraparound in the transfer function at 0 and 180 degrees. I know people have had success with the PD3 (only present in the 74HC variants) for tesla coils as well. Going beyond this, you can gate the output of PD3 with PD1 and get a better behaved phase detector with much less output ripple in the locked state, or my favorite approach which is to sample the current sign with a D flip flop on VCO edges, and gate the output of that with a type 1 phase detector. This has similar behavior to PD3 gated with PD1, but it's insensitive to spurious edges on the current sense signal.

Note that the 74HC4046A has a specified input voltage range which doesn't include either supply rail, so I would recommend designing the circuit so that the VCO input voltage is constrained from getting closer to 1 V from each rail, see the datasheet for more details (at least the TI one has some notes on this). I can tell from experience that it does not behave well at all outside of this range, I've seen the VCO almost stop and also go to extremely high frequencies when not respecting this, and this can often lead to trouble. I would strongly recommend limiting the range of the VCO to the expected range plus some margin, to simplify getting it robust.

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