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I'm looking at using epoxy doming resin on the rewind.
Does this sound suitable?
Probably fine, at least for outer coats.  Unlikely to penetrate between windings to fill between windings and core tube.  Something with much lower viscosity and lower surface tension would be better for penetration.  Need for penetration depends on your secondary volts/turn  I don't have enough experience to say if penetration is needed, not even for my own coils.

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I see UV curable ones on the market too but don't know what the quality is like.
There are fine UV epoxies, even ones hard enough to use for dental fillings.  I have no way to tell quality of any specific UV epoxy.  UV epoxies require a minimum light intensity for curing.  Low intensity can't be compensated for completely with long exposure times.  UV cured epoxy might be a good option for coating core before winding.  Will remain uncured plenty long for winding.  Add another coat after winding and expose to UV.  Cure is a chain reaction to some extent (depending on epoxy formulation).  I think epoxy under wire is likely to cure due to exposure of upper layer to UV even though not receiving any direct exposure.  Would need to be tested for any given UV-cure epoxy, however, or discerned from data sheet if available.

I think that it would be ideal for the resin to penetrate the windings, even if it had a lower viscosity, i feel it would have trouble doing so. Vaccuum impregnation would be the ultimate but very difficult and expensive for a coil this size.
My main concern was how the coil was lifting off the tube. It was almost like it had either overheated or expanded? Im not sure if that was the issue or if the wire was wound on too loose?

Yes UV curing resin would have the big issue of not getting enough light under the winding itself to cure, however it does go off on its own if given enough time, and a chain reaction should happen if only a handful of molecules get exposed to the UV or get in contact with the outer layer when exposed. Might be worth exploring this further.

Not too sure what others do with their coils, but definitely going with epoxy this time round.

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I'm looking at using epoxy doming resin on the rewind.
Does this sound suitable?
It looks like it goes rock hard, but has a long cure time, however I see UV curable ones on the market too but don't know what the quality is like.

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I also haven't heard of epoxy polyurethane before, I thought they were two entirely different things.
After some google searching, I am probably wrong here.  My apparently-incorrect memory was that Parks glaze coat was a urethane based epoxy and that such was common.  I find nothing now supporting that memory.

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It did cross my mind if control electronics could be partly to blame. My driver is loneoceans universal driver v2.7
One of the main issues I've had is shielding the computer and/or USB midi adapter.
The RF causes it to lock up and hang on a note.
Sometimes it's not quite bad enough to hang the unit, but it's causing some notes to sound like garbage at times.

I dont know if I need a longer fibre optic cable or try shielding the computer better.
I've got toroids on the USB cable that help, but it's not perfect and can't play music at full power.
Maybe a better midi adapter could help?
I've also had trouble with MIDI notes getting stuck on.  It isn't a hang of the electronics, but rather a disruption at the point when the key-release code is transmitted.  Playing the same note again will unstick the note on that release.  In my case, MIDI is coming from a keyboard (synthesizer) for live music.  It is difficult to determine if the disruption is within keyboard (MIDI source), communication link, or MIDI interpreter.  I ended up with grounded metal under keyboard with foil extending around back side and over half of top.  Placed MIDI interrupter within that shielding and powered both from batteries also within shielding.  Probably not all necessary.  Seems that the keyboard itself is most sensitive.  It is a large object with plastic housing.

What MIDI interpreter are you using?  Being in a hurry back in 2019, I purchased a kit from EVR.  It is not very good.  Some notes are up to 2% off in frequency.  Worse, more than two notes playing simultaneously outputs garbage.  Made my own soon after.

With my unit, the USB MIDI device would stop working and stay stuck on a note forever.
I have to disconnect it from the USB port to reset the thing or else it wont work at all again, seems to be causing it to lock up or something, but either way, tie computer stops communicating with it because starting another track does nothing to help it.
I have wanted to try it out with a keyboard over a MIDI cable but dont know how i set the channel on my keyboard to the correct one the MIDI controller is using.

My MIDI controller is called a "mini MIDI controller" see here:
https://sites.google.com/site/teslacoilstore/mmtcc
They seemed to be popular at the time I built my coil. I was also advised early on to add the toroids to the MIDI cable, as i was having issues right from get go. They do help, but its not a solution to remove it all, perhaps i need a better shielded box, tin foil is doing nothing.
Im interested to see what these new MIDI interrupters are like that will work with more than 2 notes at a time.
Great to see technology improving.

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Is the epoxy polyurethane you refer to a two part mix or single  pack?
Epoxy is two part.  Spray-on layers are of course single part.
Recent coils use this spray-on:
    Rust-Oleum Painter's Touch 2x Ultra Cover Matte Clear.
It claims UV resistance and bonding to most plastics.  Purchased at local home improvement store.  Don't recall if my DRSSTC used this or an older version.
Epoxy (two parts in equal volume) for my larger standard DRSSTC is:
    Parks Super Glaze Pour-on Finish & Preservative, Ultra Gloss Epoxy
It is not UV resistant and cures softer than most epoxies.  It is also made by Rust-Oleum.  I'm not sure if the softer cure is better for handling thermal expansion or not.
My more recent QCW secondary used:
    Max 1618 Crystal Clear Low Viscosity
It is a 2:1 mix ratio and cures hard.  So far no issues, but this coil hasn't been pushed hard yet.

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My main concern is if my issues are IGBT damage, but i don't think they fail like that do they?
Probably not.  More wondering about some issue in control electronics.  If one side of a full H-bridge failed, could cause poor performance, but I can't think of any reason it would be correlated to secondary discoloring.
There are single pack epoxy resins out there, but they use various different means to cure, i.e UV light.
I also haven't heard of epoxy polyurethane before, I thought they were two entirely different things. You will probably find that such products are a mixture of both perhaps?
I will do research into this anyway, there are ton of different resins on the market, but I don't think the ones you mention are readily available in NZ.
Fibreglass resins go yellow over time and actually break down rather bad.
But I have seen resins that stay Crystal Clear and go rock hard, that's the sort of stuff I'm looking for.
Is thermal expansion something that a coil can experience under use? I've never measured the temperature of mine during use, bit I've got an infra red thermometer.

It did cross my mind if control electronics could be partly to blame. My driver is loneoceans universal driver v2.7
One of the main issues I've had is shielding the computer and/or USB midi adapter.
The RF causes it to lock up and hang on a note.
Sometimes it's not quite bad enough to hang the unit, but it's causing some notes to sound like garbage at times.

I dont know if I need a longer fibre optic cable or try shielding the computer better.
I've got toroids on the USB cable that help, but it's not perfect and can't play music at full power.
Maybe a better midi adapter could help?


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For whatever reason, I was advised against epoxy at the time and told to go with polyurethane.
Polyurethane epoxy is available.  That's what I used after the two spray coats.  Common urethane epoxy is intended for coating wood table tops etc.

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When I operated the coil I also noticed that the streamers were quite whispy and fuzzy looking, not clean lines like I typically see. Is this a symptom of a damaged secondary, or could something else be at fault?
Could be either.  Might be worth scoping primary waveforms with existing secondary coil before repair.  See if they look normal, at expected frequency and with resonant energy transfer primary to secondary and back (at least when below arc voltage to minimize energy loss to arc).
This is the stuff I used, at the time it seemed a good product.
https://www.uroxsys.co.nz/pdfs/MCRGlossdata.pdf
Is the epoxy polyurethane you refer to a two part mix or single  pack?
I know people who own a paint shop and can get me an endless selection of products.
There is a clear resin I've seen that goes rock hard.
I was thinking another option may be to apply a thinned down coat that can penetrate the winding easier, and then apply thicker coats on top. This stuff I've got is rather soft and flexible, but hard wearing as its for floors.
It doesn't stick to the pvc pipe very well, I can peel it off.
My main concern is if my issues are IGBT damage, but i don't think they fail like that do they? Seems to only be giving issues since the coil has broken down.
Will be interesting to scope the bus again, I know I had it tuned fairly well at the time.

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s there an epoxy that can be applied first prior to winding that  will dry within a few minutes and help set the wire onto the pipe?
There is nothing really holding this onto the pipe and it's actually lifting a bit in places it appears.
First, I hope you will get other responses if anyone has seen similar issues.

I haven't experienced this personally, but definitely worry about it, especially with different CTE (coefficient of thermal expansion) for copper and coil form/core.  Ideal would be to coat coil under vacuum for full fill under and above winding.  I've considered whether it would be possible to coat under winding as you mention.  However, I'd think the ideal undercoat would not cure until after coil is wound.

Out of concern for delamination and/or corona under secondary windings, here's what I did:  Wind coil without undercoat (as can't think of a good undercoat option).  Spray on urethane enamel clear coat and wait for it to dry.  Repeat once more, waiting even longer for thorough drying.  Then apply several layers of 2-part urethane epoxy.  The spray-on enamel starts out thin due to solvents, so penetrates under windings.  Goal is to fill under/between windings that way before applying the thicker epoxy layers.

Good luck!

I'm pretty sure there are fast curing epoxy resins out there.
Even if I have to mix in stages, it will probably be ok.
For whatever reason, I was advised against epoxy at the time and told to go with polyurethane.
However I've seen commercially made coils advertised with epoxy coating.

My main concerns are whether any solvents or other products  applied could potentially damage the enamel.
I'm still not sure what happened to my coil  whether or not it was damaged on the spool and moisture got in, or else if a chemical reaction happened.
I guess I should be able to see if arcing has occurred when I come to rewind and remove the old wire, there should be some marks on the pipe.
When I operated the coil I also noticed that the streamers were quite whispy and fuzzy looking, not clean lines like I typically see. Is this a symptom of a damaged secondary, or could something else be at fault?

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I've noticed some discoloration on the wire and not sure if it's corrosion on the enamel or something but had happened on its own during storage.
I used it the other night and noticed that some notes don't sustain very well and depending on the frequency, I.e higher pitched notes were not playing very well or with much of an arc at times.
I cranked the thing up to full power and noticed some pin prick blue Corona all around the coil, and seems to happen around these parts of the secondary that are discolored.
I could see upon inspection that it's now burned through the polyurethane, do I'm going to have to rewind this coil again
Could this have been the issue with the coil not sounding right?
I'm wondering it is possible that arcing across the secondary behind the winding where I can't see it?
I want to use epoxy this time round. It is moisture cured floor polyurethane.
Is there an epoxy that can be applied first prior to winding that  will dry within a few minutes and help set the wire onto the pipe?
There is nothing really holding this onto the pipe and it's actually lifting a bit in places it appears.
See photo.

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Thats awesome, this should make it possible to play more MIDI files without anywhere near as much tweaking!

That was my goal since the start of the project ^^

I'll also just give a short project, since I haven't done one in a while. The Software updates I've been talking about have started running into issues with the crappy way in which I've written my code in the beginning (and kinda kept on doing even until recently :/). Weird circular dependencies, twirled spaghetti code (so spaghetti code going back and forth between .c files), extremely tight hardware dependence, time synchronous calculations... soooo much stuff that made me unhappy everytime I had to touch the code.

Because of this I have decided to completely re-write the software from scratch ::)

This time however I'm actually putting in extra effort to make the code as universal, portable and modular as possible (and also easy to port!). I already have the base framework done (RTOS, config saving, signal generation, communication...) and have partially ported the modulation engine (though that will undergo some more significant changes before release too). And there are some new features finding their way in already (like a full graphic equalizer :D). The MidiBox (the new midistick :D) is also ready for its first beta hardware release, with addressable RGB LEDs, USB C and an enclosure ;D

But the software will of course also be released for the current hardware, which I will support for as long as I support the MidiBox version :)
Thats great to hear.
Im also hoping it will resolve the issues im having with my USB MIDI cable, the RF from the coil is interfering with it and causing it to freeze on a note if the power is too high.
Ive tried wrapping the whole thing in tin foil and adding toroids on the USB cable, but it only helps a little.

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Oh hey completely missed the comment, sorry about that :)

Nice to hear you like this project. The polyphony is entirely included in the midistick itself, it just sends the resulting on/off data to the coil. As long as it has an optical interrupter input it should be compatible :)
Keep in mind, that many notes on at the same time will sound best with a large maximum duty-cycle (I have mine set between 15-20%). If you reduce the limiter threshold (because your coil can't handle that high of a duty cycle) the coil will sound slightly worse.

Yes, if you want to you can have any number of channels playing notes, up to four different ones at the same time with any combination of channels. If a note on event occurs when the four voices are already playing a sound the least important note will be turned off again and replaced with the new one.

For multiple coils at the same time you'll need one midistick per coil. I am currently developing the my next generation of interrupters, which will also have a version capable of sending data to up to four coils though (that will prob be released q3-q4).
Mapping sounds to the coils is quite a bit than dip-switches though: you just use the midi pan knob to fade between the coils :D As if one was the left speaker and the other was the right one. You'll need to set that up in the software first, but then it can work on its own.

And yeah you can play pretty much all sid files out there ;)
One exception though: some files use a hack to send audio samples through the SID chip, I don't support that yet. If a file has some sound effect that is just missing when you listen to it on a coil it is likely that it comes from samples.
Thats awesome, this should make it possible to play more MIDI files without anywhere near as much tweaking!
I always thought it was the limitation of the tesla coil itself with the number of notes. I probably am going to end up with a second larger coil soon anyway, so I could direct the bass track to the larger coil and send the main track to my current coil im using.
Definitely will be ordering one of these! SID music sounds like alot of fun and is well suited to tesla coils, the tune to the last ninja would sound incredible.

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I think you can find many of the answers in my DRSSTC design guide: https://kaizerpowerelectronics.dk/tesla-coils/drsstc-design-guide/ especially look at the IGBT article and check out the table at the bottom for IGBT brick alternatives.

Stay with CM300 bricks or similar like (SKM200-400) if you have nothing more than 230VAC 10A available. A CM600 coil can easily pull up to 20kW from 3 phase 400VAC.

I also have a lot of calculators to help you design: https://kaizerpowerelectronics.dk/calculators/
Yes i have been looking at your page of builds. Quite a good amount of info, I loosley built my last coil based on loneoceans design, albeit a little less powered, but I could upgrade it to a higher power if i upgrade the MMC.
Basically from what I understand, you need to make the coil taller if you want longer streamers, or else they will strike the ground (and ring) more often?
I think I will stick with CM300, since I already have a pair of them on hand.
Whats the most power that you can put through a pair of these? From memory its around 1100APK?
I wouldnt mind making the next coil close to 2M in height, is this too unrealistic from a pair of these?
I can probably push my outlet to 20A peak if i had to, the fuse box has a 20A fuse on here, so it should be able to supply enough power, although I probably would only run at 15A max I think.

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I built a DRSSTC about 8 years ago and have not done much with it lately until now, mostly because I could not use it at home without it annoying the neighbours.
I have however done a couple of public performances with it with great reception and have a friend who has a place I can operate it in front of visitors. I want to build something bigger with a bit more power this time.
Seems IGBTS are not only cheaper than before, but there is more to choose from.

Should I stay with CM300 series? Is there any particular part numbers that are better to go for nowdays? There are quite a few different variants in the CM300 series than I remember at the time.

Spec wise, how large a coil could I go for with CM300s? I need to dig up the specs for my coil, but at the time I think the MMC was only rated at 700 APK, possibly 800, will need to check.
I have been getting by with an 8A variac at 230V mains. Been using loneoceans UD 2.7 and have been getting streamers at least 2 metres long at full power.
Am i better going with higher rated IGBT's to make it more reliable such as CM600 and just operate at lower power?
Also looking at power requirements if I want to run 2 large coils together. Its difficult to run 2 of them if they are drawing 10A each at the wall outlet, that means I need to connect them to 2 individual outlets on a different circuit breaker.
Not sure now others are getting by when running multiple coils, do most people just turn the power down? Could I get a single variac and run 2 coils through it if the outlet can provide the power?

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Wow this looks like an awesome MIDI controller.
I definitely will be buying one, since there is alot on this thread for me to go through, I have a some questions.
Since this can 2 4 voice polyphony, are there any limitations or compatibility issues with different drivers? I always thought the polyphony was limited to 2 notes at once on the coil driver itself.
I have steve wards universal driver on my coil, like most here likely use too.
Does this mean that if i want to play more notes at once, I could have 2 channels playing 2 notes at once on a single coil for example?
Regarding multiple coils, I want to operate 2 coils eventually, I take it I need to run 2 controllers in tandem?
My existing MIDI interrupter can have a second ST connector installed for a second coil and you assign the midi channels via a DIP switch, Im assuming everything is done via the software with this controller and you assign the USB stick per coil, im assuming that the MIDI files will also have to go through this software provided also?

Regarding SID playback, can this literally play any C64 SID file i can get my hands on?

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How does it work with SID playback?
I saw that there is a new USB MIDI interupter that can support SID playback.
I currently use the mini midi controller on my coil, can SID playback work with these?

Im currently looking for Ghosts n stuff by Deadmau5, bangrang by Skrillex and Money for nothing by dire straits.
If anyone has these tunes, that would be awsesome!

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General Chat / Hi everyone
« on: January 04, 2023, 03:15:26 AM »
Ive just moved over from 4HV.
Looking forward to building a second DRSSTC at some point!

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Manz
May 31, 2023, 01:27:17 AM
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TMaxElectronics
May 31, 2023, 01:14:49 AM
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flyingperson23
May 30, 2023, 11:44:22 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 11:21:52 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
Felix M.
May 30, 2023, 11:20:23 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 11:06:42 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
Felix M.
May 30, 2023, 11:03:31 PM
post Re: Bridge output
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Manz
May 30, 2023, 10:19:14 PM
post Re: Next Gen DRSSTC
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
FonziDaytona
May 30, 2023, 09:52:24 PM
post Re: Which power supply should i use for my spark gap tesla coil
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 09:22:10 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
alan sailer
May 30, 2023, 09:19:37 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 08:48:34 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 08:41:34 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
Felix M.
May 30, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 08:15:12 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
Felix M.
May 30, 2023, 08:02:34 PM
post Re: Which power supply should i use for my spark gap tesla coil
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 06:36:54 PM
post Re: Which power supply should i use for my spark gap tesla coil
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
post Re: Which power supply should i use for my spark gap tesla coil
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
Felix M.
May 30, 2023, 06:32:46 PM
post Re: Which power supply should i use for my spark gap tesla coil
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
MRMILSTAR
May 30, 2023, 04:05:24 PM
post Which power supply should i use for my spark gap tesla coil
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
ElectroNex
May 30, 2023, 12:48:19 PM
post Re: Next Gen DRSSTC
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Hydron
May 30, 2023, 11:11:38 AM
post Re: A few questions
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
ako
May 30, 2023, 10:43:53 AM
post Re: Ramped SSTC - Power Supply Question + General Improvements
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
ZakW
May 30, 2023, 04:58:50 AM
post Re: Half-Bridge SSTC Failed
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
NyaaX_X
May 30, 2023, 04:54:19 AM
post Re: Half-Bridge SSTC Failed
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
davekni
May 30, 2023, 04:28:11 AM
post Re: Half-Bridge SSTC Failed
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
NyaaX_X
May 30, 2023, 04:14:20 AM
post Re: Using metallized film caps instead of foil caps in MMC
[Capacitor Banks]
davekni
May 30, 2023, 04:06:53 AM
post Re: Using metallized film caps instead of foil caps in MMC
[Capacitor Banks]
NickyLee
May 30, 2023, 04:05:35 AM
post Re: Bridge output
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
May 30, 2023, 03:58:51 AM
post Re: Half-Bridge SSTC Failed
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
davekni
May 30, 2023, 02:04:44 AM
post Re: Ramped SSTC - Power Supply Question + General Improvements
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
davekni
May 30, 2023, 01:58:34 AM
post Re: A few questions
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
May 30, 2023, 01:48:06 AM
post Re: Bridge output
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
May 29, 2023, 10:44:47 PM
post Re: How do I find capacitor values?
[Beginners]
Mads Barnkob
May 29, 2023, 10:40:20 PM
post Re: Next Gen DRSSTC
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Kizmo
May 29, 2023, 10:31:11 PM
post How do I find capacitor values?
[Beginners]
RubyWindow
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