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I actually put a triac-based speed controller on the angle grinder, so I can vary it between probably about 3000 RPM and 11000 RPM.  However, it seems to work best at the highest pulse rate.  The number of pulses is not really 1500 pulses per second as the voltage is only applied for half the cycle, and even during this half cycle the voltage can only bridge the spark gap for part of the cycle.

The number of electrodes is limited by the size of the angle grinder.  Originally I only used 4 electrodes but that was not enough, as I thought as you did that the pulse rate wouldn't be this high.   The electrodes can not be too small or they won't conduct the current and burn up.  But for lots of electrodes, you need a big wheel which needs to turn fast.  The angle grinder discs are 4.5" in diameter.  I used 5.4", but the phenolic disc is less dense than the typical corundum grit angle grinder disc.  So maybe I could have put 12 on there, but not many more.  The disc gets heavy too, and it is hard to balance, and things will start to vibrate strongly which damages the arbor.

I didn't want to have to build a full multiplier using two diodes and two capacitors, as both sets of capacitors and diodes would have to take the full voltage.  The Villard configuration I used is what's already used in a microwave oven, which is why it makes a magnetoconstrictive buzzing noise, and it seems to work ok.  I'm sure the power factor is horrible however.  Loneoceans tried this configuration in his dual MOT tesla  coil (http://www.loneoceans.com/labs/teslacoil2/) but he had problems with it because he had problems with the diodes getting blown by the high voltage RF spikes.  I didn't want to do what he had to do, which is use four transformers submerged in oil, because I have tried oil and it is very messy.  That's why I used four microwave oven diodes and highly overengineered the Terry filter and there doesn't seem to be a problem, and why I included those details it in the schematic.

Dan

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I would be glad to oblige.  See the attached PDF for a full schematic.

It is a pulsed DC output at 60 Hz.  For 1/2 the cycle, the capacitors are charged.  For the other half, the power supply is in series with the capacitors, and it delivers double the voltage.  This probably contributes to the sparks being a little more wild.

Also, I have included a template for making the wheel for the angle grinder.  One of the hardest parts is balancing the wheel because it is rotating so fast.  This will get you close, then you put it on the angle grinder and grind off the edge until it is round using a file.

Watch the video at 0.25 X speed.  It looks cool that way.  Next time I'm going to take a video using a high speed camera.

Dan

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Hello.  I made a video of my dual microwave oven transformer and put it on youtube of course.  You can see it here:

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The specs are:

Two microwave oven transformers with their grounds connected together to put them in series.  There is a voltage doubler on the transformers as well.  Each secondary is in series with a 0.95 uF microwave oven capacitor, and the diode is four microwave oven diodes in series in a Villard multiplier. 

An asynchronous rotary spark gap consisting of an angle grinder.  The electrode wheel is made of G10 phenolic, and there are 8 electrodes that are stainless steel bolt heads and nuts held in with lock washers.  The two points next to the electrode are 1/4"-20 stainless screws.  A lot of sparks fly off the ends of the screw heads when its running as the end of the screw heads get very hot and glow red.

The primary capacitor bank are capacitors from www.hvstuff.com.  I took a chance on these generic capacitors, which I think are Chinese made, and they seem to work well.   I ran the Tesla coil for 10 minutes at full power without problems.  I was careful to stay under the peak current limit of the capacitors, however.  A picture of the bank is attached to this message.  The capacitor bank is 25 nF in parallel with 13 nF.  The 25 nF is four 10 kVDC 100 nF capacitors in series, and the 13 nF is three 10 kVDC 40 nF capacitors in series.  The series combination was used to make sure the voltage rating was well above spec, and to keep the peak current within limits.

The primary coil is conical tapped at 5 turns made of 0.25" copper tubing.



The secondary is about 1000 turns of 26 awg wire on a 4" PVC pipe.  The topload is two large stainless salad bowls.

The power supply has a Terry filter on it.  The Terry filter has 10 1.8 kV MOVs in series, 2200 pF @ 18 kVDC filter ceramic filter capacitors, two 400 ohm resistors, and a dual safety spark gap.

I have been able to get about 1 meter sparks so far.    If anyone wants more details I'd be happy to share.

Enjoy the show!

Dan




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Capacitor Banks / Re: 100nf rolled foil capacitor
« on: March 01, 2018, 01:40:16 AM »
High voltage capacitors are hard to make.

The problem is that if there is air in the capacitor, you get this effect called "partial discharges."  Basically its tiny little sparks between the layers of dielectric that slowly eat away at the dielectric through oxidation because the air is ionized because of the high electric field.  The capacitor will be fine for a while, but after awhile it will arc through.  Capacitors are often filled with oil or wax to prevent this.  A vacuum needs to be applied for the air bubbles to be removed as well so there is no air left in the capacitor.

That said, I made a capacitor out of stacks of aluminum roof flashing and wrapped them in 3 mm thick multiple layers of polyethylene painters tarp and it continues to work.  I put the stack in a vise and clamped on it very hard to try to push the air out as much as I could.  Furthermore, I carefully trimmed the roof flashing to have rounded corners so there would no points that serve to concentrate the electric field.  But I used a lot of painters tarp, had very thick layers, and only got 26 nF capacitance.  It probably would have been cheaper had I just bought a MMC when I got done with it, but like a lot of things I just like to try things out.  My guess is that the dielectric you have is thin because the capacitance is high.  The breakdown field is going to be at best 20 kV/mm and probably a whole lot less once partial discharges start.   If you're using aluminum foil as your conductive layers, its probably crinkly, and the creases will act to concentrate the electric field.   So I'm guessing your capacitor may not last long.

You could try to get mineral oil and fill the pipe with that, or maybe even vegetable oil would have a high enough dielectric strength.  Heat the oil to get as much water and air out of it as you can before pouring it in, pour in it in to make sure no air gets in the pipe, and then use a plastic screw perhaps as a plug so that no air is introduced into the pipe when you seal it.  If you use oil, you may just want to use paper insulation instead, and let the oil be the dielectric.  But after all of that trouble, I think most opt for just putting together a MMC if that is an option.

Dan

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One question about skip pulse operation:

Do you have to alternate between turning one leg of the half bridge off, or can the bridge be shut off completely to freewheel, and then turned on again when the current drops below the OCD threshold?

Dan

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I was reading and trying to understand what skip pulse operation is of a DRSSTC.  My understand is that ordinarily when the overcurrent detection occurs, the transistors are shut down when the next zero current crossing occurs, and the current in the half/full bridge is allowed to ring down by circulating through the freewheeling diodes.  With skip pulse operation, instead of having the transistors shut off until the next trigger comes from the interrupter, it allows the current to ring down until the current has dropped below the overcurrent level, and then the transistors to switch back on to allow the current to build up again, and this continues until the interrupter shuts off the pulse.  I could not find a schematic for a skip pulse operation, so I decided to study it myself.

I was playing around with the schematic of the universal driver to try to implement this (if this is indeed what skip pulse is).   The schematic I included rearranges a few things in the universal driver to do this but hopefully keeps the part count about the same.  In the old universal driver, the D-type flip flop U7A has its set input along as the interrupter pulse is active, unless it is shut off by ANDing with the output of the other flip-flop U7B, which is driven low if there is an overcurrent condition.  Each time the signal from the feedback transformer transitions from low to high, it would clock in a low signal, but this is overridden by the interrupter pulse (assuming it is still active and there's no overcurrent condition).   Once the interrupter pulse is over or overcurrent occurs, the feedback from the comparator clocks in a low signal at the low-to-high feedback transformer transition, shutting off the transistors.

I changed this by only applying a short negative pulse to the set input when the interrupter pulse transitions from low to high, the short pulse being generated by the network of U8C, so that the AND gates U5B/U5C allow the transistors to clock on.  Instead of the data input to U7A always being low, it is high as long as the interrupter pulse is active and there's no overcurrent condition.  Jumper J16, if it is closed, forces flip-flop U7B low which shuts off the AND gate and so the next low-to-high transition of the feedback transformer shuts off the transistors, and the transistors stay off until the next rising edge of the interrupter pulse, which is the usual non skip-pulse operation.  If jumper J16 is open, the transistors stay off only until the overcurrent condition is ended, and on the next low-to-high transition of the feedback transformer, the transistors are enabled again, and if overcurrent keeps happening, this cycle should continue until the interrupter pulse is shut off.  However, I kept the circuit that shuts off the transistors in case it doesn't otherwise occur from the interrupter pulse ending.

Anyways,  if someone could help me figure out what functionality embodies skip pulse DRSSTC I could work that into the design, in a way like I have modified the driver above.

Thanks,

Dan

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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: Ground to negative
« on: February 25, 2018, 10:10:56 PM »
Do you have an earth ground connection?  I don't think that connection is intended to be connected to the neutral, it is for the chassis or earth ground. 

http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeF.htm

I haven't been to Europe for a while and don't remember the plugs but it looks like the earth ground connection is on the side of the plug (Type F), not one of the prongs.

Dan

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Could you create a "dummy gate load" to connect to your GDT which consists of a 10 nF capacitor in series with a 2.5 ohm resistor to try to see if it can charge and discharge a capacitor with a low rise/fall time?  You could also attach the dummy load directly to your driver as well and see if it works differently to see if its the GDT.  This won't model the Miller capacitance but it might help you troubleshoot the driver/GDT setup.


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Sorry for the double post, but there is a slight improvement here.


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I was looking at using a potentiometer with a capacitor to adjust phase lead.  I attached a simulation of the circuit, as well as a simulation of the conventional inductor circuit.  It seems to perform similarly, except that the phase lead decreases with frequency rather than increase of course.

Dan



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One question I have about the ferrite for the GDT is whether or not eddy current losses in the core play a big role.

On the one hand, one wants a large AL so that at a low gate drive frequency, the winding impedance is high enough.  On the other hand, cores with large AL tend to be MnZn ferrites with low bulk resistivity and higher eddy current losses. 

I have wound baluns and Ruthroff transformers for amateur radio and usually for NiZn cores are used because (e.g. 43 ferrite mix) because these have relatively high frequencies (1 to 30 MHz) and eddy current losses become intolerable.  For these transformers, the capacitance between the turns can significantly reduce the output amplitude at higher frequencies.  There are, however, NiZn ferrites made for pulse transformers that have high AL but still retain low bulk resistance.

I was just going to use a MnZn ferrite as the frequency is below 1 MHz with about AL=4000, but perhaps this is a bad idea?  Something like FT240-77 might be a good compromise:

https://www.mouser.com/ds/2/150/5977003801-346510.pdf

They are more expensive though ($8 a piece!).

Dan



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Do the IRF540/IRF9540 get hot?  Being packed so tightly I am concerned that there is little opportunity for cooling.  I left them staggered in my layout so a heatsink could be added.


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I reproduced mostly what was on the UD2.7C schematic, which is why the 2.2 uF and 1 uF are there.   I wanted to make a version of the UD2.7C that did not require the hardest to find part, the TL3116/LT1016/MAX913, so I put back in the 74HC14 from the UD1.3 design, but tried to keep the phase lead.  Interestingly this design uses a pretty slow comparator with about 50 ns response time, the MCP6561T:

http://bsvi.ru/projects/SimpleDriver2/SimpleDriver_2.3.pdf

Of course the inductor tends to accentuate the noise, which is probably why the deadtime was added to the feedback network.   Looking at the TL3116 vs the 74HC14, the 74HC14 has about a 20 ns total propagation delay + transition time, as opposed to about 10 ns for the TL3116.  I don't really need a substitute for the MAX913 though, I just wanted to provide an alternative to those who do.  As far as I can tell, a through-hole version of the TL3116 is no longer available, and it is not hard to imagine LT1016/MAX913 through-hole may also become scarce.

I didn't have enough room on the board for a second GDT, however, more beefy TO220 MOSFETs could be used that have higher peak current capability.

Thanks for your "feedback" :)

Dan





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I was wondering how the TL3116 compares to using a 74HC14 as a comparator with hysteresis.  The TL3116 allows the capacitor in the hysteresis feedback path to be adjusted.  How important is this?  I was looking at the feedback circuit and it seems that the TL3116 can be replaced by a 74HC14 if one does not need to adjust this capacitor.   Take a look at the schematic to see how I changed it.  The whole schematic is attached as a PDF.

Dan

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I have some big ferrites from Surplus Sales of Nebraska I have used for making power ferrite transformers:

https://www.surplussales.com/Inductors/FerPotC/FerPotC-5.html

The U/I core has a pretty large cross-section, about 27 by 25 mm.

Dan

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Hello,

I have added another board to the PCB pack I am working on, and fixed a few minor things.

I wanted to make a version of the universal driver that requires minimal or exotic proprietary parts because through-hole parts are harder to find, so I mixed and matched UD2.7C and UD1.3B parts, keeping the phase lead, but taking out the TL3116/LT1016 type op-amp and putting back the 74HC14 so the hysteresis is not adjustable.  Also, I made the UVLO a LM311 comparator rather than a specialized chip.  The only more specialized part left is the TC4427/MAX4427/IR4427/UD27423, and TC4427s are available from many sources.  I removed the older OPF2412T module from the board, and added 4N28 optoisolator control in a region that is separated and insulated from the rest of the board.  I found a minor flaw in the interrupter which I have fixed.  I have attached a copy of the schematic, and an archive of the now eight boards.

Dan

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Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC) / Re: Afraid or frying another winding
« on: February 17, 2018, 04:02:13 AM »
You need to put a Terry filter between your transformer and the spark gap.   RF spikes are probably feeding back into your transformer and frying it.  I use MOTs and I had to do this to protect my doubling diode.

This is a good reference.

http://www.laushaus.com/tesla/protection.htm

Don't use the Chokes!!  You're better off using just simple RC snubbers and metal-oxide varistors (MOVs), as well as the safety gap.

Dan

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You really need more space :)

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Yes I have a variac and I can give that a try.  I was looking at some of 100X probes you can get on Amazon cheap.  I don't know if these can be trusted:

https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-P4100-Universal-100-Oscilloscopes/dp/B06XHJT63M

I was also looking into using a coaxial capacitive divider probes.    They apparently can be used well over 100 kV and with transients as fast as 1 ns, and can span ranges with a single probe from about 1kHz - 100 MHz or more.   I actually built just built a primitive one in a few hours, using a wire in a 1/8" thick polyethylene tube as a 5 pF high breakdown probe, and divided this by a 500 pF ceramic.  Getting all the stuff to do the DRSSTC is going to be expensive, and I haven't even bought the MMC capacitors yet, and I don't necessarily want to buy a differential probe right now, especially if its not the greatest probe.

Perhaps you might be interested in this link:

http://www.imajeenyus.com/electronics/20120216_capacitive_hv_probe/index.shtml

Another question: do you have any estimate of the frequency of the spikes?  What is the bandwidth needed of a probe to see them?

Thanks for your help,

Dan

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Is there any other way to adjust the phase lead than monitoring the bus voltage?  That is mainly what I need to do.   I am just looking for transients on the bus.

Dan

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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
alan sailer
April 14, 2024, 09:46:30 PM
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[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
Michelle_
April 14, 2024, 07:31:00 PM
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[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Saattvik24
April 14, 2024, 02:26:19 PM
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[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
April 14, 2024, 07:20:54 AM
post Re: IKY150N65EH7, is it good for DRSSTC
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
April 14, 2024, 07:18:20 AM
post Re: Game changing tesla coil secondary winding suggestions
[General Chat]
Michelle_
April 13, 2024, 06:46:40 AM
post Re: Game changing tesla coil secondary winding suggestions
[General Chat]
Michelle_
April 13, 2024, 04:18:42 AM
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[General Chat]
alan sailer
April 13, 2024, 03:24:20 AM
post Re: Game changing tesla coil secondary winding suggestions
[General Chat]
alan sailer
April 13, 2024, 03:20:46 AM
post Game changing tesla coil secondary winding suggestions
[General Chat]
Michelle_
April 13, 2024, 03:13:22 AM
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[Sell / Buy / Trade]
lbattraw
April 12, 2024, 09:14:58 PM
post mg75q2ys40 IGBT
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
thedark
April 12, 2024, 08:40:18 PM
post Re: UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
April 12, 2024, 07:20:30 PM
post Re: Mosfet Buffer Stage Questions
[Beginners]
davekni
April 12, 2024, 07:12:43 PM
post IKY150N65EH7, is it good for DRSSTC
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
ethanwu0131
April 12, 2024, 04:47:33 PM
post Re: UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Admiral Aaron Ravensdale
April 12, 2024, 11:43:36 AM
post Mosfet Buffer Stage Questions
[Beginners]
Egg
April 12, 2024, 12:49:02 AM
post Re: UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
April 12, 2024, 12:41:16 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
April 12, 2024, 12:22:41 AM
post Re: Capacitor Blowout
[Sell / Buy / Trade]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 10:45:53 PM
post Re: UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Admiral Aaron Ravensdale
April 11, 2024, 07:39:30 PM
post Re: UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
flyingperson23
April 11, 2024, 07:24:52 PM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
sky-guided
April 11, 2024, 06:09:30 PM
post UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Admiral Aaron Ravensdale
April 11, 2024, 12:55:16 PM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 03:40:00 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
sky-guided
April 11, 2024, 03:05:07 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 02:57:33 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 01:44:32 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 01:31:40 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
OmGigaTron
April 11, 2024, 01:11:00 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 12:58:52 AM

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