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I had the chance to fire up my ANSYS simulation and thought you would enjoy some examples of what it can do. Attached is an animation and plot of a nominal induction launcher design with the following parameters. Note that this is a time harmonic solution (not transient) with 10 identical coils and an armature that is longer than the "barrel". A case which would be great for efficiency, since all of the coils are running at the same frequency and all doing work on the armature. So a bit of a simplified launcher.

Armature diameter: 25mm
Armature wall thickness: 3mm
Armature material: Aluminum
Armature weight: 200g

Coil number: 10
Coil cross section: 20mm x 15mm
Coil wire gauge: 10 AWG
Coil turns: 45
Coil drive current: 1kA

With this model I can sweep all sorts of variables like armature-coil gap spacing (one I knew you were keen on), drive phase number, drive frequency, etc. etc.

The animation shows the product of the azimuthal current density J and the radial magnetic field density B which has units N/m^3 (if you do a volume integral you get total force on the armature). The plot shows the total armature force vs drive frequency for gap spacing of 1, 2, and 3mm. As you can see, a smaller gap is better, but the gains aren't astronomical, more on the order of 10 or 15%, at least for this design.

I would be happy to plug in your numbers and run a similar simulation sweeping whatever variables you are interested in. Just let me know!

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I wonder if a conical secondary like this (mounted with the small diameter down) could help distribute the coupling to the primary more uniformly? You could potentially get tight coupling with reduced risk of racing sparks on the lower section of the secondary.

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Depending on the type of snubber (C, RC, RCD) an oversized snubber capacitor could lead to large inrush currents which could damage components with high dI/dt

However it is more likely to not be an issue unless you are over sizing by orders of magnitude

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I'm starting to make simulations and design coils so I'm trying to make sense of all the possible variables. Who knew building a coilgun would be so complicated lol.

Indeed, it becomes much more complex to optimize as you get into the weeds. One random thing (which you may already be well aware of!) that really helped in my thinking about these launchers was when I realized: when it comes to imparting force to the projectile, the only two quantities we care about are the azimuthal currents in the projectile and the radial B field produced by the coils. Where these interact we get a JxB force in the axial direction (helping or harming depending on the sign).

So, for example, longer coils might do well to induce large currents in the projectile with their axial field, but only at the ends of the coils where the field is radial do we produce force. This is why in an induction pusher, if the projectile is sticking out of both ends of the coil we dont get any net force. The axial field induces currents all in the same direction, but the radial magnetic field at one end of the coil is pointed inwards and at the other end it is pointed outwards resulting in equal and opposite forces on the projectile (it is being stretched axially by the radial fields and squished radially by the axial fields).

My intuition used to be what you often hear, "the changing coil current creates a changing magnetic field which induces a current in the projectile, which in turn creates its own magnetic field that 'opposes' the field that created it" giving me the intuition that the "north pole pushes the north pole", when in reality magnetic fields do not interact, they simply sum. The currents of the coil and projectile are what interact with the resulting net magnetic field.

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what factors would prevent one from using coils with less and less resistance so less capacitance is needed to generate the same current and timing? Especially for a reluctance coilgun. Would it not make sense to design the coil to be the least resistance possible so as to need less capacitor mass?

In theory less resistance is always better, all else equal. However it is rarely possible to keep all else equal. In this case depending on your method of lowering resistance, it will have inherent effects on the number of turns and inductance.

First off, the peak current will almost certainly be limited by the coil inductance rather than resistance, scaling with sqrt(C/L). Assuming we are talking about changing winding configurations rather than materials, (and maintaining the barrel diameter) you could lower resistance in one of two ways: maintaining the coil cross section and increasing wire size, or maintain the wire size and use less turns (shrinking the coil cross section).

In the first case, it turns out that for a fixed coil cross section to the first order changing the wire size gives you the same amp turns, which is what matters. Double the wire cross section to cut the resistance by a factor of 4 and you also halve the number of turns which is a 4x reduction in inductance leading to double the peak current. Your losses (again to the first order) will stay the same since RI^2=(R/4)(2I)^2

In the second case, if you were to say cut the number of turns in half, your resistance would only halve and your inductance would be ~4x lower (assuming your coil cross section is approximately square, for single layer coils your inductance would only drop by a factor of 2) . This means a doubled peak current again and therefore the same amp turns, but now your losses are doubled! Not great, which is fundamentally why small launchers are hard to make efficient (think how increasing coil/barrel diameter has the same relationship). Note that efficiency does not quite scale with launcher diameter, since for multilayer coils there are second order effects (skin and proximity) that change the resistance and inductance scaling. However, it does still stand that you gain some efficiency going larger.

So, generally you will want to pick a coil cross section that gives you the field distribution you want (another topic, but nominally close to square is desirable), then pick your wire gauge to give you the inductance you want. This will be driven by component availability on one end, namely what is the maximum voltage your components can handle, and launcher parameters on the other, namely what resonant frequency do you want.

If you fix the resonant frequency then you basically have a fixed LC product. To maximize force you want to maximize current. Given our progression of constraints up to this point, you can double the current by either doubling voltage, or doubling capacitance and halving inductance. You can basically pick your poison within reason. Though if you choose to decrease inductance (lower voltage higher capacitance) and therefore increase wire size, you will stray from the linearity assumed above as the skin depth becomes less than your wire radius and you are no longer efficiently using your wire cross section. Litz wire would be an (expensive) way to overcome this. At the other end, with high voltage comes expensive semiconductors and thick insulation (reducing coupling and coil packing density). There is usually a reasonable middle ground that fits the semiconductors, capacitors, etc. that you have available.

Hope this is helpful, also since this was a bit hand wavy and not tied to exact math, please double check my reasoning!

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I have had similar thoughts to you on this topic (see me post, https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=1755.0) and have access to ANSYS Maxwell where I have set up some 2D axisymmetric simulations. My interest is primarily for "polyphase" launchers with higher aspect ratio projectiles which I think take advantage of the LIL concept the best (though you do eventually run into issues with projectile length if you are targeting very short acceleration distances). Unfortunately my free time to tinker is quite limited but I would be happy to collaborate with you in discussion and provide simulation capabilities to your efforts!

While Dave is correct that thyristors generally suffer from low dI/dt capabilities unless specifically designed for pulsed applications (see Solidtron datasheet attached, 100kA/us !) It is still possible that something like a VS-80TPS16L-M3 with 500A/us di/dt could still work for you. Assuming target velocities in the 100's of m/s and a pole pitch ~10cm, that gives half sine pulses in the 10kHz range which gives you plenty of room to reach the peak current capability of on of these devices before having acute dI/dt limitations. With that said, depending on your drive configuration, IGBTs may still be advantageous. As alluded to in my post, I am partial to a "resonant drive" topology that allows you to use higher energy density, lower voltage, polarized caps (ie electrolytics) as you main energy storage which is then switched, ideally with an H bridge, to your series drive coil and resonant cap which you can allow to ring up to 2,3,4x the main drive voltage. Though his adds complexity and it may not be ideal given your constraints of size and weight.

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It was when intermittently powering the OBIT (say 3 times per second) that the problem occurred.

Terry, in addition to what Dave and Twospoons commented, it sounds like you could be getting voltage spikes on the output of the transformer due to turn off transients. Im not sure how you are driving it (directly from mains AC?) or switching it on and off, but presumably when you switch it off it results in a large negative dI/dt across the primary as the switch opens. This quickly changing flux induces a large voltage in the secondary.

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Beginners / Re: Brass vs Copper for spark gap?
« on: September 25, 2023, 11:27:05 PM »
Yeh the actual discharge won't be off copper, unless I want pretty colours I guess.

I can find 20mm brass and 60mm stainless threaded spheres on aliexpress, and brass "speaker spikes" look like an interesting spark electrode too for a nice clean look. I've asked for a quote on replacement 2" bronze electrodes above too but I'm sure it's going to be outrageous.

Though it is expensive, copper-tungsten is a very durable electrode material. It machines fairly nicely, almost like a cast iron, although it is quite hard and wears down tools. You can get 25mm OD, 200mm long pieces from aliexpress for $50, which is 8x cheaper than McMaster!

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805668149469.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.482965aaaVll0M&algo_pvid=df49b8fa-f151-46db-95eb-7b1137dbe21c&algo_exp_id=df49b8fa-f151-46db-95eb-7b1137dbe21c-1&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2173.29%2121.99%21%21%21532.62%21%21%402103225216956768836838779e3b54%2112000034584336404%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=umNlRdlgdHXY

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Welcome Download!

I seem to be in a very similar boat as you, finding the HV hobby in my teens and wanting to return to it with more experience/resources.

Your nuclear hobby sounds interesting and I would love to read your blog and/or paper once released. I am currently riding the nuclear fusion startup wave that has high demand for pulsed power engineers. No background in anything nuclear before this though, so I am curious to learn tidbits of history along the way.

-Ben

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Capacitor Banks / Re: What Cable Thickness for Capacitor Discharges?
« on: September 22, 2023, 01:01:25 AM »
I don't have much experience with the formula, but dug up those articles on it while answering this to refresh my memory and learn a bit more. Since most of my experience is via my career (ie. employer is footing the bill!) I've never had to skimp on buswork enough to worry about adiabatic temperature rise much.

Reminds me of when Hackaday staff did a coin shrinking exercise featuring high speed videography.

I was picturing my coin shrinking setup as I was writing that bit! Great example :)

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Capacitor Banks / Re: What Cable Thickness for Capacitor Discharges?
« on: September 20, 2023, 09:01:50 PM »
As pointed out by Twospoons and klugesmith, the total circuit inductance will be the main current limiter in most pulsed power situations. It would be helpful to know what capcitor(s) you are using to get 40uF at 5kV. Also what does your discharge circuit look like? Is it two meter-long wires attached to chicken sticks (not recommended). Or are you wiring up a relatively low inductance discharge path by minimizing loop area etc. ?
  • Unless you are being very conscious of inductance in your design, it is unlikely that you are below 500nH. A big contribution to your ESR will be from your capacitor (all depending on its type), so lets say you aren't getting away with anything less than 10-20mOhm total. This puts your peak current about 40kA and quite underdamped, ringing at ~35kHz for several cycles. Note, f = 1/(2pi*sqrt(LC))

As MRMILSTAR eludes to, the entire cross section of your conductor is not all used. Commonly this is referred to as the skin effect, which for AC signals can be reduced to:
  • d = sqrt(1/(pi*f*sigma*ur*u0))

    Where d is the depth in meters at which the current density has reduced by 63% (ie. most of the current is within this depth). sigma is the material conductivity, which for copper is about 5.8*107 and ur is 1 for copper. So this can condense to:

    d = 0.066/sqrt(f)

    Which is 0.35mm at 35kHz. In your case you will likely be utilizing less than a 0.5mm layer on the outside of your conductor, almost certainly less than a 1mm layer. This effect is not limited to true "AC" signals. Any time changing pulse has the same effect present. This is due to the magnetic field taking time do diffuse into conductors (details are out of the scope of this discussion).

Getting back to your question, klugesmith's approach of assuming an adiabatic temperature rise is excellent for getting an upper bound on the current capacity of a conductor. In fact there is a famous paper from 1944 by Onderdonk addressing the problem this way (including temperature varying resistivity etc.) a more modern review of this is attached here and produces the following equation for the fusing of copper conductors:
  • (i/A)2t = 9.6*104

    Or, rearranged:

    ifuse = A*sqrt( 9.6*104 / t )

    Where i is the current, A is the conductor cross section in mm2, and t is time. Per this equation, the fusing action of 6mm2 wire is ~3.5*106 A2s. Your discharge will probably have an action about 100x less than this. However, going back to the skin depth consideration, you will want to scale this fusing equation by the factor:

    (2d/r - d2/r2)2

    Where d is the skin depth from the previous equation and r is the wire radius, both in meters. Which still puts you well in the clear by this approach.
In reality you will not want the copper to get anywhere near its melting point of 1083 C so maybe a better thing to do is say we don't want its temperature to rise more than X degrees, for practical reasons like not starting a fire or melting its insulation (maybe 100-200 C is a safe limit). Per my second attachment (the TRM white paper) we get an equation that calculates the temperature rise of the wire:
  • Trise = 253(108.9*10-6(i/A)2t - 1)

    OR rearranged to give a maximum current for some pulse width t and an allowable Trise:
    imax = A*sqrt( log10(Trise/253 + 1) / (8.9*10-6 t) )
    Again where Trise is in degrees C and A is in mm2

There will be other considerations in specific situations such as the forces involved when conductors are in close proximity to each other (or themselves as in a coil of wire). In these situations the wire can fail mechanically well below its fusing current. All of this to say, your 6mm2 wire will probably be totally fine for discharging a capacitor bank into random loads such as popping aluminum foil etc. but if you are trying to achieve another goal you may be better served with larger wire or even some form of bus bar like MRMILSTAR suggests. Let us know what your setup and use case are and we can advise further!

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Capacitor Banks / Re: 3D printed High Voltage “Ross” Relay
« on: April 14, 2023, 03:51:02 AM »
Thanks, yeah I figured why not build the fiber receiver right into it; saves some extra components and connections.

It has held up fine so far, the 3D printed body is thick enough to provide rigidity, and it can always be made thicker if need be.

Good catch on the contact material! Aluminum certainly isn’t ideal, especially for any high current discharging. I wanted the first pass to use as much off-the-shelf hardware as possible. However, I plan to machine some copper electrodes and try my hand at silver plating them. Brass would be a good option too, but it might start to form zinc spikes which would be very bad for breakdown voltage.

Have you experienced any issues with zinc coming to the surface of brass electrodes? That may only happen at very high currents which this type of switch isn’t really meant for anyway.

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Capacitor Banks / 3D printed High Voltage “Ross” Relay
« on: April 13, 2023, 05:32:36 AM »
You all may be familiar with the “Ross relay” used widely in the world of pulsed power. I recently designed a low cost 3D printed version with a few upgrades. See my short video below summarizing it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Em6C3439wSk?feature=share







I’ll update this post with more detail and links to the 3D models, BOM, and kicad files. Let me know if y’all have any questions or suggestions for upgrades!

-Ben

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And for time being I have no idea how to measure the heat dissipation in steel casing. I will simulate the effect of mesh size on the eddy effects. I cant see any difference between 1mm and 0.1mm mesh sizes or am I missing something. Thanks.

You can use the fields calculator to integrate the “EMLoss” (or just “OhmicLoss” unless you have hysteresis losses enabled) over the steel object. If you are totally unfamiliar with the fields calculator let me know and I can grab some screenshots to demonstrate.

You could use the “Skin Depth Based” mesh operation on the external lines of the steel to ensure it captures the effects well. It has a built in tool that will calculate the skin depth at a given frequency in the material you are assigning it to.

-Ben

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I will be receiving this book in a few days and plan to read through it. I will be interested to post some thoughts/questions that come up during my study.

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The failure point is between the film metallization and the metal spray. Excess current appears to burn away the metallization.

I see, that is good to know. Thanks for sharing your experience!

-Ben

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The longevity in pulse applications has little to do with the size of the terminal, and a lot more to do with the construction of the attachment to the metalized film inside.

Fair point, although I am hoping that the end terminal, along with the general geometry of the capacitor, is somewhat of a proxy for:

1. The intended current
2. The construction method

The cylindrical shape and axial connections indicates a fairly direct connection from the terminals to the end spray on the metalized polypropylene roll inside. Which is preferred to something like this which would have more complex internal connections:


Like you say, the only real way to know is to test!

-Ben

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Hello,

I am curious if anyone has experience with these Chinese made "CBB15" welder capacitors for pulsed applications. They have nice lug terminals which bodes well for their current handling capability and they are at a nice price point for fairly high voltage unpolarized capacitors. I might buy a few and could do some testing to destruction if folks think they could be promising.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192586693166?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&var=493995973465




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Umar,

Interesting project idea! It sounds like you want it to have a bandwidth in the 10's of MHz, any specific range? Also if I understand correctly, it would be a capacitive divider probe and not suitable at low frequency or DC?

I will be interested to follow this and would like to help out if I can. I have access to a manual lathe and mill as well as ANSYS EM simulation software, let me know if there are any design or prototyping steps I can help with.

-Ben

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General Chat / Re: Tesla plate
« on: September 24, 2021, 05:20:01 PM »
That’s pretty neat! I imagine the right person would pay a pretty penny for it especially as Tesla electric cars become more and more prevalent.

I have to imagine that by now the “Tesla” plates are spoken for in every state. You are 1 of 50, quite the novelty!

-Ben

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[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
April 12, 2024, 12:22:41 AM
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[Sell / Buy / Trade]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 10:45:53 PM
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[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Admiral Aaron Ravensdale
April 11, 2024, 07:39:30 PM
post Re: UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
flyingperson23
April 11, 2024, 07:24:52 PM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
sky-guided
April 11, 2024, 06:09:30 PM
post UD 2.7 OCD LED stays on, no output during inital test
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Admiral Aaron Ravensdale
April 11, 2024, 12:55:16 PM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 03:40:00 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
sky-guided
April 11, 2024, 03:05:07 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 02:57:33 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 01:44:32 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 01:31:40 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
OmGigaTron
April 11, 2024, 01:11:00 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 12:58:52 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 11, 2024, 12:31:37 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
alan sailer
April 11, 2024, 12:30:21 AM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
alan sailer
April 10, 2024, 11:41:46 PM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Mads Barnkob
April 10, 2024, 11:33:32 PM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 10, 2024, 10:41:33 PM
post Re: Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
MRMILSTAR
April 10, 2024, 10:31:31 PM
post Tesla coil safety questions, risk analysis quantified
[Beginners]
Michelle_
April 10, 2024, 09:56:35 PM
post Re: Drsstc voltage spike question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
unrealcrafter2
April 10, 2024, 08:59:26 PM
post Re: Drsstc voltage spike question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
markus
April 10, 2024, 06:35:30 PM
post Re: Drsstc voltage spike question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
flyingperson23
April 10, 2024, 05:35:14 PM
post Medium Drsstc question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
unrealcrafter2
April 10, 2024, 03:07:02 PM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Michelle_
April 10, 2024, 03:42:12 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Michelle_
April 10, 2024, 03:41:04 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
sky-guided
April 10, 2024, 02:50:23 AM
post Re: DRSSTC V1 using BSM1500
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Unrealeous
April 10, 2024, 01:32:17 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
OmGigaTron
April 10, 2024, 01:26:29 AM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
OmGigaTron
April 10, 2024, 01:18:35 AM
post Re: Big Coil Big Sparks
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
April 09, 2024, 07:34:19 PM
post Re: DRSSTC V1 using BSM1500
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
flyingperson23
April 09, 2024, 06:14:27 PM
post Re: CM400 Induction Heater
[Electronic Circuits]
markus
April 09, 2024, 06:08:53 PM
post Re: DRSSTC V1 using BSM1500
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
markus
April 09, 2024, 05:15:19 PM
post Re: Plasma Torid - Class E Self Resonant Dual/Stereo - Plasma Torid Build
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Michelle_
April 09, 2024, 05:11:04 PM
post Re: Big Coil Big Sparks
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Benjamin Lockhart
April 09, 2024, 06:32:16 AM
post DRSSTC V1 using BSM150
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Unrealeous
April 09, 2024, 04:04:47 AM

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