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« Last post by ae7b on Today at 06:53:52 AM »
I have been collecting Tesla Coil parts for quite a while and maybe 2024 will be the year for me. I am interested in many energetic things and suppose “mad scientist” is more accurate than many monikers.
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« Last post by Keybored on Today at 12:25:37 AM »
Thanks for the response, yes I was using transient analysis and I shall give your pulsed current idea a go. Just finished my first coil using a slayer circuit /> I might try and change it to use a mosfet with a driver, so I can add some interruption down to say 3-10khz - the standard slayer tends to run pretty hot, limiting how much power you can put through it. I can see how chasing these longer arcs is addictive... Fun stuff.
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« Last post by davekni on December 09, 2023, 09:47:04 PM »
I don't have an erected capacitance goal, aiming for 600kV. I was going to use epoxy around the conductors in each stage to reduce corona. There is parasitic capacitance between stages and from top to ground. Actual output voltage is never as high as the simple calculation of input_voltage * number_of_stages. According to the time constant calculator on digikey the joules per pulse are 57.6J from the ouput of the Marx. Energy is 0.5 * C * V^2. Thus 57.6J at 600kV implies 320pF erected capacitance, which seems reasonable. If parasitic capacitance to top is 32pF of that 320pF, then you will lose only 10% of theoretical voltage due to capacitive divider effect. I planned to run 4 zvs boards in parallel connected to two 12V batteries in series to increase the amperage. Sounds like I may need to run more. The flybacks burn out easily. Do you also have 4 flyback transformers, one for each zvs board? Many ZVS boards can supply enough power for two or more typical flyback transformers. Do you have any filtering (ie. HV inductor) between flybacks and Marx input? The sudden drop of output voltage from max to 0 tends to fry flybacks. P.S. This is a stupid question but do you know what polarity should be applied to the trigger electrode, positive or negative? That's a fine question. I'm not an expert in triggered spark gaps. For your needs I think either polarity is likely to work fine. Presume you don't need nanosecond timing accuracy nor life of millions of sparks. Presuming your trigger electrode is adjacent (or within a hole in) the ground electrode of bottom spark gap, I'd be inclined to make it the same polarity as your Marx generator. Presuming you are using normal CRT flyback transformers for your DC input supply, polarity is positive, so perhaps make trigger a positive pulse. Actual waveform from trigger transformer will likely ring to the opposite polarity too.
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« Last post by davekni on December 09, 2023, 09:03:11 PM »
What should I be measuring it to? between the ground plane and the ground pin on the chip? Yes. Contact pin where it inters epoxy chip package. Measurement will be most accurate if scope probe ground connection is short, such as from ground ring around tip to ground at adjacent bypass capacitor lead (or scrape away solder resist from a local section of ground plane). I have a few of these: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/epcos-tdk-electronics/B64290L0044X049/3913505 Would these be good for common mode filtering? A higher permeability material would be better, but anything is useful. I currently just have the primary wires running through a random small green ferrite ring a single time. do I need more turns? If you are certain it is ferrite and not powdered iron, then it will be of some value. Inductance increases proportional to turns squared. 4 turns is 16x higher inductance. Even with low permeability core, 4 turns is better than 1 turn (pass through) of the highest permeability option for that core size (which is 8x permeability of the core you linked to). BTW, I've had issues before driving FET bridges with GDTs until adding high-side common mode chokes. However, the issues I had were FETs frying rather than driver frying. I don't know if your issue will be improved with common mode chokes. Little downside to adding them.
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« Last post by Lucasww on December 09, 2023, 08:57:15 AM »
In particular look at ground pin at chip. Look for very short spikes or ring at high-to-low transitions of output. Good to check power pin too, but that is less likely to be a problem. What should I be measuring it to? between the ground plane and the ground pin on the chip? The most useful place for a common-mode choke (ferrite ring) may be on the high-side output. That winding experiences by far the most rapid and highest voltage swing. If you have another ferrite ring, I'd add that to high-side output, ideally with 3 or 4 turns of the twisted-pair secondary output leads. I have a few of these: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/epcos-tdk-electronics/B64290L0044X049/3913505Would these be good for common mode filtering? I currently just have the primary wires running through a random small green ferrite ring a single time. do I need more turns?
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I don't have an erected capacitance goal, aiming for 600kV. I was going to use epoxy around the conductors in each stage to reduce corona.
According to the time constant calculator on digikey the joules per pulse are 57.6J from the ouput of the Marx.
I planned to run 4 zvs boards in parallel connected to two 12V batteries in series to increase the amperage. Sounds like I may need to run more. The flybacks burn out easily.
P.S. This is a stupid question but do you know what polarity should be applied to the trigger electrode, positive or negative?
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« Last post by davekni on December 09, 2023, 02:11:48 AM »
Coil was running at ~400kHz, with very low duty cycle (a few milliseconds and like 2 BPS for testing). no noticeable heating in the gate drivers before they died. Agree. Event transient driver chip driver temperature should be plenty low. When my new chips arrive I will try scoping the pins during operation to see if theres any weird voltage spikes. In particular look at ground pin at chip. Look for very short spikes or ring at high-to-low transitions of output. Good to check power pin too, but that is less likely to be a problem. I added a ferrite ring to the input of the GDT to hopefully block interference, but I'm out of 27524 chips so I can't test if that helped yet. The most useful place for a common-mode choke (ferrite ring) may be on the high-side output. That winding experiences by far the most rapid and highest voltage swing. If you have another ferrite ring, I'd add that to high-side output, ideally with 3 or 4 turns of the twisted-pair secondary output leads.
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« Last post by Lucasww on December 09, 2023, 01:25:03 AM »
Coil was running at ~400kHz, with very low duty cycle (a few milliseconds and like 2 BPS for testing). no noticeable heating in the gate drivers before they died.
When my new chips arrive I will try scoping the pins during operation to see if theres any weird voltage spikes.
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« Last post by davekni on December 09, 2023, 12:51:37 AM »
I was gonna use compressed air through the spark gap column to extinguish the arcs. Is that not necessary if I have a switch controlling the 24V from the batteries connecting and disconnecting it (24V batteries > ZVS driver > flyback > marx gen)? Good point about compressed air. With enough air flow you may be OK without pausing HV supply to Marx generator. I used a computer cooling fan with plastic pipe manifold to each spark gap (in parallel from a fluidic perspective). Air flow was relatively gentle. What output voltage and erected capacitance do you need? My Marx generator is about 30J per firing, so would require 900W to fire at 30Hz with perfect efficiency, more to include losses. Have you found a flyback capable of 900+W output?
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