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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: Benjamin's DRSSTC3
« on: November 29, 2023, 06:32:03 AM »
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What do you all think?
Looks like a very clean build with great performance!

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Approx 60kHz operating frequency with 7% primary detuning.
Would have guessed you'd want a bit more than 7% for long arcs.  Arc length is already good.  Top load size helps with minimizing detuning, and coupling helps maintain performance in spite of secondary frequency drop.  That may be why 7% is sufficient.  Probably best for music.  Would be interesting to see if arc length could be any longer with a bit more detuning and a bit longer on time.  That's only if you want to risk pushing coil's limits.

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I will build this. Hopefully I won't kill too many IGBTs. I will report the results in like a month
Great.  I think this is a good driver design.  Looking forward to seeing how it works for another user.  Of course, test initially at low duty cycle and low voltage.  And adjust R25 to get self oscillation frequency close to coil operating frequency even before powering bridge.  If R25 range doesn't include your coil frequency, then change C33 value, higher for lower frequency and lower for higher frequency.  (For a high-coupling QCW coil, self-oscillation frequency is useful to start at upper pole frequency.)

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    Are the two unused 74AHC14 inputs tied to something?
Drat, oh well, nothing a bit of wire can't fix. An unfortunate case of out of sigh out of mind occurring there.
If using exact ECB layout, do remember to tie unused 74AHC14 inputs to something with patch wires.

If anything looks strange or incorrect, post scope captures and pictures.  I'd be happy to help before you apply enough power to fry IGBTs.

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Hello all, enjoying the chat, where (and I looked) would I find more info about the 10k resisitor and what problem it might fix. I know it's not necessary 10k.
Here are several posts where I describe startup behavior and need for a resistor across bridge output:
    https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=1934.msg14466#msg14466
    https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=2330.msg17044#msg17044
    https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=2388.msg18296#msg18296
    https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=2624.msg19237#msg19237
    https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=1914.msg17230#msg17230
    https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=1350.msg9973#msg9973
If you still have questions, feel free to ask.

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Now back to tuning and seeing if I can push my IGBTs higher :-)

Here it is hitting around 21”
Great to see it working!  Good luck with pushing just the right amount, not quite to IGBT failure.

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Sell / Buy / Trade / Re: WTS/WTT: T520-2 - Micrometals core, MO, USA
« on: November 25, 2023, 08:04:05 PM »
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@davekni - The inductor you see would in the OP is ~100mH. I haven't properly measured it, but I don't think its exact value is super important. I have no formal electronics training (I'm a biologist), so I am basing my design heavily around Loneoceans QCW1.5.
That makes sense and is probably a reasonable size for your needs.  My question was about flyingperson23's need for several hundered uH and several hundred amps (which this core would not support).  I think that question is reasonably settled now.

Have fun building your QCW coil!

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Added a 7k resistor across the bridge output, and now I’m able to get things going with barely any voltage in from the variac.
Glad resistor worked as expected.  Hope IGBTs survive now!  Scope captures look fine.

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Voltage Multipliers / Re: Choosing a Capacitor for a 30hz Marx generator
« on: November 25, 2023, 04:15:02 AM »
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Gonna wire up a 3 stage Marx with them and the inductors I wound back then. I never tried using the Y5Vs back then with the inductors. Wish me luck ;)
Yes, definitely wishing you luck!  Do you know how long (in time) output pulses need to be for your application?  You could run a simulation using your home-wound inductors to see if inductance is high enough.

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.S. Output pulse timing is not critical, just figured it would be easier with a high voltage switch then trying to get the first spark gap's distance perfect.
I didn't find gap adjusting too difficult with my rounded-end copper pipe end caps.  They are friction-fit over PVC pipe using thin SS shim stock.  Made a very simple adjustment tool from a scrap of wood cut to proper gap distance.  Use that to set all gaps to same distance within reasonable tolerance.  If voltage needs to be a bit higher, I add a layer of plastic scrap to the tool to widen gap.  I don't find much difference in performance based on which gap fires first.

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Did you ever hear anything else about that guy who used a UV bulb to trigger the spark gaps? LEDs don't seem to be there quite yet.
Haven't seen any specific examples.  I'd thought about suggesting UV triggering from a separate trigger spark gap close to bottom Marx gap, but don't have any information to say if that would work well or not.  Would be interesting to try.
Using a UV lamp is an interesting idea.  I have a short-arc xenon flash tube with quartz window.  Sounds like a good experiment to try if I ever get through my overly-long list of such experiments.  I don't know what wavelength is necessary.  If it must be short enough to ionize air, then it also won't travel that far in air.
Be careful with short wavelength UV.  It is quite hazardous, with enough photon energy to disrupt DNA in skin and eye cells.  So far I've used my short-arc UV flash lamp only with a polycarbonate window over it, as I needed only visible light.
Recall seeing 240nm UV LEDs somewhere, but efficiency was low and cost high.  May not be short enough wavelength still.

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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: First drsstc issues
« on: November 23, 2023, 09:58:21 PM »
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Hi, i am using TC4427 instead of UCC27423.
Scope through driver as I'd suggested in reply #16.  Given your scope capture of Vge startup pulse missing, the issue is in the driver.  (Hint:  TC4427 data sheet says it is non-inverting.  I think you need to scope carefully input and output of every chip and FETs on driver path from enable to GDT primary leads.)

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Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC) / Re: Try to build the 4MHz ClassE SSTC
« on: November 23, 2023, 05:18:41 AM »
NCP81074A spec lists 10A peak reverse current for pulses.  So diodes are likely unnecessary.  If schottky diodes, could help since likely faster reverse recovery time than internal FET body diodes.

NCP81074A spec says nothing about requiring gate resistors.  I'd guess none is OK.

NCP81074A is very fast.  Look at all the spec layout recommendations carefully.

For your cap question, simulate it.

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Voltage Multipliers / Re: Choosing a Capacitor for a 30hz Marx generator
« on: November 23, 2023, 05:06:51 AM »
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I bought several chinese marx generators on ebay in the past and now have a ton of CB80 30kV 2000pF capacitors with a polystyrene dielectric. I would like to use them if I can.
Inductance (and ESR) depends on capacitor construction.  These caps have foil electrodes and end contacts that connect to every turn of the winding.  Inductance is quite low.  However, these are what I tried to use first for my 120Hz Marx generator.  Purchased a few initially and tested them into spark discharge.  They work great for a while, then degrade to a short circuit.  There are a few very tiny air bubbles in each cap.  Corona discharge at these bubbles eventually erodes polystyrene dielectric, first carbonizing and eventually shorting.  Because of foil construction rather than aluminum evaporated onto plastic film, these are not self-healing.  Because you already have these, you could use them initially while testing your system.  Direct spark discharge is a harsh test.  Perhaps they will last long enough for your needs.

Excess Y5V caps is an option.  Will make a longer tail to discharge voltage pulse, then consume a little extra energy to charge back through the lower voltage higher capacitance region.

Do you need precise timing for discharges?  If the SF6 switch is mechanical, it may be less controlled timing than just charging until gap voltage breakdown as I do.

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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: First drsstc issues
« on: November 23, 2023, 04:51:16 AM »
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Shouldnt the gate startup pulses at igbt gates have the same amplitude of gate drive voltage?
In my case those pulses are very weak.
Is this normal?
Yes, start amplitude should be same as run amplitude, one Vge at +18V and other at -18V.  Low amplitude is not normal.
My guess is that your driver chip is the wrong part, not inverting.  Should be UCC27423, not UCC27424.
Either that or 74HC08 is inverting (74HC00), but I think that would cause other issues too.
Measure voltage of driver chip outputs when idle (not enabled).  They should be +9V.

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Sell / Buy / Trade / Re: WTS/WTT: T520-2 - Micrometals core, MO, USA
« on: November 23, 2023, 04:31:56 AM »
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Wouldn't the only inductance to worry about be the internal inductance of the igbt and the connection from emitter to bus negative, as all other inductance is effectively in series with the main inductor?
Inductance that matters is the loop through IGBT, diode, and output capacitor.  If using diode internal to CM300, there is relatively small inductance between IGBT collector and diode, perhaps 10-20nH.  Output cap from emitter back to diode anode (unused high-side collector terminal) is where layout will matter most.

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Sell / Buy / Trade / Re: WTS/WTT: T520-2 - Micrometals core, MO, USA
« on: November 21, 2023, 04:54:39 AM »
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Ah I see, I was misunderstanding how boost converters worked. I may still be misunderstanding, but It'll be boosting max to 1200v 25A which should be 80% duty cycle so 185A max with 100uH.
Using 1200V rated IGBT for 1200V output will be problematic.  There is no margin for parasitic inductance.  That is why gate charge etc. for 1200V IGBTs are specified for 600V.  That is typical use voltage, 600V nominal + 600V for spikes and tolerance.  Some list use to 800V.  Beyond that has a high probability of failure.  Given your 200A rather than nominal 600A, perhaps you could bet 1000V output.  Would require good low-inductance interconnect.

If 240V is rectified and unfiltered 240Vac, then calculate at 340Vpeak.  Ripple current will be a little higher than at 240V, but still fine presuming 20kHz.

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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: First drsstc issues
« on: November 21, 2023, 04:41:17 AM »
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I was able to get feedback today!!. The issue solved when i used a 1:50 feedback ct instead of 1:500 ct.
I am planning to keep ocd at 300amps so the feedback current is going to be around 6 amps, which if i am right is way above what 1.3b driver can handle.
Is there any way to tackle this?, or is it a feedback ct issue at all?is there anything else i should be concerned about?.
You might get away with 50:1 if duty cycle is low enough and R4 is changed from 10 ohms to 0.5 ohm power resistor.
I'd recommend instead figuring out why 500:1 is failing.

Are you bypassing OCD now?   If so, how?  Is your OCD CT in the primary circuit with output unconnected?  That could be the cause of your startup issues.  Unconnected CT secondaries need to be shorted.

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Sell / Buy / Trade / Re: WTS/WTT: T520-2 - Micrometals core, MO, USA
« on: November 20, 2023, 03:36:36 AM »
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Sorry to hijack your thread a little coilerer.
I'm the one who should apologize for hijacking this thread.  You're just answering my question.

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I'm making a boost converter, hopefully at least 30kW. Switch is a cm300, for 20khz I'd like at least 400uH 200A. A few of these cores stacked would probably work, but toyota prius hybrids used to have buck/boost converters with beefy inductors, getting a few of those seems like my best bet.
To continue hijacking ;) I'm still puzzled as to why 400uH is needed.  I'd think 50-100uH would be sufficient.  However, no requirement to answer.
For example (ignoring losses), if 30kW is boosting 240V at 125A to 600V at 50A, duty cycle is 60%, 30us at 20kHz.  100uH would ramp by 72A (= 240V * 30us / 100uH).  To average 125A, inductor current is 125A +-36A (89A to 161A).  50uH would ramp twice as much, 144A total or +-72A, so 53A to 197A.  That still fits within 200A maximum.

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I put the hv power supply leads directly on each set of TVS diodes and then reversed the leads.
If the TVS current at breakdown was sufficient to charge bulk capacitors, then this would be valid.

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Sell / Buy / Trade / Re: WTS/WTT: T520-2 - Micrometals core, MO, USA
« on: November 19, 2023, 09:58:27 PM »
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[edit] Actually we could get more DC energy in similar size inductor using a laminated steel core with air gap, able to handle more than 15000 gausses before saturation.  Not practical for a switching converter!
Tape-wound amorphous steel cores are used at 20kHz.  Haven't seen any such cores available surplus.

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If I'm not misreading the datasheet, it looks like with enough turns for a few hundred uH, it saturates at under a hundred amps.
I'm curious about this QCW coil that requires such large buck inductance.  My QCW buck uses a 40uH 400A inductor, switching at 40kHz.

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I hooked up my Bertan to the board and applied +500v (gradually) to each set of TVS diodes. Set one clamped at 435v and set two clamped at 425v. Guess they can be ruled out?
Yes, presuming you biased the half-bridge supply.  If 0V across supply, then no way to determine which pair of TVS diodes is conducting, since they are bidirectional.

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It’s a pretty standard design…
Probably unrelated to failures, but I see IGBT Kelvin emitter connection is defeated by shorting the two emitter terminals together on the ECB.  That increases internal IGBT die Vge spikes, especially given hard off-to-on switching of this driver that doesn't support phase lead.  Perhaps the relatively-low normal Vge of this design prevents internal Vge spikes from becoming problematic.

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To test open, I’d need to remove and connect to my hv power supply, right? Any other way to guess?
Vce TVS diodes can be tested with IGBTs removed.  Apply some voltage to half-bridge supply, say 40V.  Then verify that output (Out+) gets clamped around +440V and -400V.

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I’m itching to tweak something (easy that is) while I wait for replacement IGBTs :-) Should I remove some turns from the GDT?
Your decision.  I'd remove turns at least to make it like the original design with 10 turns.  If it were my coil, I'd change to two twisted pairs as well.  But there may be some comfort in exactly matching original design using three wires.

If changing GDT, you could check Vge diodes while GDT is removed.  However, no way to know if zener diodes or TVS diodes are conducting.  Both are nominally 33V.

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Another thought that I had was voltage sag caused by smallish bus capacitors (1000uF each) and a much higher MMC (.165uF vs .075uF) than designed?
You may get voltage sag.  I can't think of any resulting issue beyond reduced performance.

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I see the on board MMC has bleeder resistors and my upgraded MMC doesn’t. Maybe startup IS the issue after all?
That is also the best guess I'd have.  Increased GDT turn count will make slower ring when startup fails.  That might contribute to failures.  Though I haven't figured out exactly how startup failure would result in fried IGBTs.

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My DRSSTC switches poles when arcs get long.  It is a relatively low impedance design (~35k secondary impedance), opposite yours.  Relatively short on times and impulsive arcs.  I play music, but it isn't optimum for that.

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November 17, 2023, 09:58:36 PM
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November 17, 2023, 09:49:11 PM
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November 17, 2023, 09:45:23 PM
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November 17, 2023, 08:19:20 PM
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November 17, 2023, 08:09:01 PM
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November 17, 2023, 07:34:33 PM
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November 17, 2023, 07:28:06 PM
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[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
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