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Electronic Circuits / IGBT lead inductance and turn-off voltage spikes
« Last post by davekni on June 09, 2023, 05:24:42 AM »
Made a test circuit to measure IGBT turn-off characteristics at relatively high current as is needed for phase-shift QCW use.  Made with copper foil on both sides of 1mm plastic (polycarbonate) to minimize interconnect inductance.  IGBT leads are held against copper with a spring clamp and rubber pad to allow for replacing parts.  Thermocouple taped and clamped to IGBT top, also clamping IGBT to a small piece of aluminum sheet metal to simulate heat sink.  Having that heat sink metal adjacent and parallel to circuit board helps reduce inductance.  IGBT body is against edge of circuit board (foil/plastic) for almost zero (<1mm) external lead length.  Still some lead length inside package epoxy.  This testing is at 320Vbus, switching from 140A to 0A.

Schematic:



Picture with spring clamp holding IGBT leads.  Only connection between left emitter lead carrying 140A and right emitter lead for gate drive is inside IGBT package.  Isolated on board.  Gate drive is from GDT through buffer, so circuitry is isolated too.



Spring clamp removed for visibility:



Even with all the measures to minimize parasitic inductance, voltage spikes are high.  These are fast IGBTs, chosen intentionally for phase-shift QCW, to minimize turn-off energy.  First scope plot (left image) shows Vge with ~12ns fall time and Vee (voltage from one emitter lead to the other).  Emitter spike is ~55V and around 12ns wide, indicating roughly 12ns current fall time.  Shows value of Kelvin connection (of not adding that 55V signal to internal gate voltage).  Also shows how spike exists just across internal-package lead inductance.  Right plot shows Vce, measured on board foil and again on IGBT package back-side (on heat sink aluminum).  About 50V difference.  Combined emitter and collector spikes add 105V to internal IGBT Vce due to just inductance of leads inside package.
Red is Vge and blue is Vee on left plot.  Green is measuring current.  Ignore that one for turn-off.  Inductance in current-sense resistors causes large spike compared to the 28V drop at 140A.  Right plot, red is Vce measured on IGBT package back (heat sink).  Blue is Vce measured on board foil.



Next scope plot shows Vge with ~12ns fall time, and again at ~30ns fall time in the hopes that current fall time might increase a bit.  Delays Vce spike (measured on foil), but doesn't reduce amplitude significantly:



Tried 50ns Vge fall time.  Still no reduction in spikes.  Current fall is enough delayed from Vge fall that Vge timing doesn't seem to matter.



Tried even slower, 120ns Vge fall time.  Still same spike amplitude.  (Horizontal scale is now 25ns/div, so spike looks narrower.  Really about the same.)  Blue is Vge.  Red is Vce measured on board foil.



Fast switching is good for low Eoff.  Was hoping to slow it slightly.  Looks like I'll need some R+C snubbers instead to keep Vce below 650V specification.  BTW, I fried first test part testing at 200A before realizing how high spikes were.  Even at 140A, considering combined emitter and collector spikes, peak voltage is about 700V, so slightly above spec limit.  LTSpice simulations appear to show R+C snubbing will be effective.  Adds significant power dissipation.  However, at least that power is in resistors, so not adding to thermal stress of IGBT die.
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Transformer (Ferrite Core) / Re: Bobbin Design and Winding Radius
« Last post by 7824c5a4 on June 09, 2023, 03:08:12 AM »
Mind the gap, some more sanding needed yet for a flush fit. Ive got the secondary bobbin nearly ready to go. In my experience 3d printing HV, oil-submerged parts, PLA has been just fine and has proven to be a fairly good insulator.



A friend is loaning me a vacuum pump to pump the oil-filled housing to get all the trapped and dissolved air out. The oil-filled housing will be one of PolyCase's ZQ060604 Boxes. https://www.polycase.com/zq-060604

I have yet to attempt to grind/sand in my 1mm air gap, but the coil formers will be ready when the gap is done!
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Yes. Even at these low powers the boro does get hot quickly. If I could see any use for this little trick I'd search out some quartz but...
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Wonder how hard this could be pushed before glass breaks due to thermal gradient (thermal expansion stress).  Of course, depends on whether glass is quartz or soda-lime or ...
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I build up a little ramped DRSSTC coil using labcoats circuit board. It made things super easy and the resulting coil is very fun. ~300kHz operating.
I was measuring the length of the sparks using a piece of glass tubing and got the silly idea of putting the glass tubing over the breakout.

Instant perfect sword sparks. And a funny hollow blowing down a glass tube noise.

I hadn't seen any other idiot try this so here you go. I'm the idiot in this case...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/8763834@N02/52958940125/in/dateposted/

The sparks are about 15 inches. No real tuning yet except for calculations. Running at ~5mS and 200 volts.

Cheers.
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Laboratories, Equipment and Tools / Re: Spellman Power Supply Repair
« Last post by Mads Barnkob on June 07, 2023, 10:34:32 AM »
I have an older Spellman 10kV power supply and the front controls seems to be very similar up the modern units. 10x dial potentiometer, push buttons and status lamps.

The DF series is targeted for x-ray use and seems to have digital displays for the voltage and current of the high voltage and filament supply.

Your 60 kV / 80 mA rating is much more powerful than the ones seens in their catalogue of only 10-20 mA at 60 kV.
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Laboratories, Equipment and Tools / Spellman Power Supply Repair
« Last post by ritaismyconscience on June 07, 2023, 05:04:43 AM »
Well, I am back on this forum again after several years...

Anyways, I found the guts of this Spellman high voltage power supply in the garbage, and it seems like everything should work. All the power components test fine with a multimeter. The only problem is that the front panel (with all the controls) is missing and someone took all the screws holding the power components together.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get it working again? There seems to be some interface on the back for connecting to a computer. I might have to just bite the bullet and design my own controller. From looking at their manuals it seems like something similar to an SLR inverter is used.
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Hypervoice is a feature that I added to the Midistick quite a while ago. It adds a second pulse with adjustable phase to each note. So for example at a phase of 90° you would get a second pulse after one quarter of the period of the note expired. That effect adds much more depth to the sound, and also allows for more expressiveness. Especially when you add modulation to that phase in VMS it starts sounding really good :D

The current Firmware has the feature sort of hidden away a bit, because I wasn't 100% confident in it when I released it. It is however used in some of the example vms maps and you can enable it for sid playback (there the phase is adjusted based on the pulse width register) by enabling the experimental features in the show mode window:


Keep in mind that for some songs that will reduce the audio quality instead of increasing it. When a high note is playing using the effect the overall volume drops down pretty far and you don't really hear the other tracks too much anymore. That is mitigated by the volume scaling feature in the new software I'm working on, but for the moment you can't really do much other than disabling hypervoice again.
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Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC) / Re: A few questions
« Last post by davekni on June 05, 2023, 01:41:45 AM »
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Another CT for scoping the feedback frequency? Or scope across feedback or OCD connectors?
Most people seem to use an additional CT.  Not necessary presuming your existing CTs are properly made with ferrite (not powered iron) cores.  Scope across the UD.9 burden resistor (51 ohms usually), not directly across feedback CT input.  Scoping across CT input will include phase lead, so not be accurate.
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