Author Topic: New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup  (Read 524 times)

Offline kilovolt

  • High Voltage Enthusiast
  • *
  • Posts: 17
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
    • Hochspannung als Hobby
New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup
« on: May 02, 2021, 11:01:45 AM »
Dear high voltage friends

Here I would like to present a high voltage project I already finished some time ago, a large bipolar cascade.

There are two cascades for bipolar operation, both as full wave designs. The cascades are fed by two 6kVA ferrite X-ray transformers, which in turn are fed by two IGBT full bridges. The setup is powered with two phases 230V and two Variacs on the same axis.

In total 126 Doorknobs TDK UHV10A with 560pF / 50kV each were used and 224 diodes if I remember correctly.

Here are some pictures of the setup:











Both bipolar setups in one pic:



And a video:


I look forward to your comments.

Best regards
kilovolt
« Last Edit: May 02, 2021, 11:28:44 AM by kilovolt »
All information on my part without guarantee! I reject any liability for personal and/or material damage. Everyone is responsible for his own safety.

Offline MRMILSTAR

  • High Voltage Engineer
  • ****
  • Posts: 308
  • Karma: +8/-0
  • Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    • View Profile
Re: New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2021, 04:52:01 PM »
Great work there kilovolt! I thought about making a full-wave design but ultimately decided on a half-wave design to save on parts. One thing I really like about your full-wave design for operation in air is that, since it has 3 legs, the structure is much more stable especially if you want to move it.
Steve White
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Retired electrical engineer

Offline Mads Barnkob

  • Administrator
  • High Voltage Expert
  • *****
  • Posts: 1783
  • Karma: +46/-0
  • Denmark
    • View Profile
    • Kaizer Power Electronics
Re: New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2021, 07:35:46 PM »
Wow those are some good looking towers!

What is your power consumption on those inverters? It might be 6KVA transformers, but what are you pushing through them?

What is the arc distance?

Do you have a calculated voltage output?

Do you have any problems with corona on the diode series? I have usually seen people put them in epoxy/oil filled hoses. As they are too far away from the very small minor diameter corona disks between the stages.

Just for long arcs or got a plan like lifters and experiments?
https://kaizerpowerelectronics.dk - Tesla coils, high voltage, pulse power, audio and general electronics
https://www.youtube.com/KaizerPowerElectronicsDk60/join - Please consider supporting the forum, websites and youtube channel!

Offline kilovolt

  • High Voltage Enthusiast
  • *
  • Posts: 17
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
    • Hochspannung als Hobby
Re: New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2021, 10:08:05 PM »
Hello Mads and MRMILSTAR  ;)

Thank you for your interest and kind words. After experimenting with both, halfwave and fullwave setups I have to say I would rather go the halfwave way. Fullwave didn't show as much better performance as it needed more material.

@Mads:
Power draw was just about 8kVA for the whole setup, so about 4kVA for each fullbridge/transformer. The transformers could make a lot more. 6kVA is the continuous rating for each of them. For short periods they could make much more, but I have not much more power from the line and I'm not sure what the fullbridges really can perform. They get a bit warm after each run.

Arc distance was about 70cm in the shown video. There is not much more possible, because of arcing between the diode strings. About 80cm ignition distance is the absolute maximum and this is not a safe operation anymore.

I don't know the voltage. According to measurements in the first stage of one tower I estimate about 400kV max.
Quote
Just for long arcs or got a plan like lifters and experiments?
The setups were just for fun  8) The material was given to me by a friend who works in the x-ray industry. I just wanted to see, what's actually possible without using oil (of course for the transformers i needed oil baths, but no oil for the multiplier setups).

Wish you all a nice week.
Best regards
kilovolt







« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 10:10:27 PM by kilovolt »
All information on my part without guarantee! I reject any liability for personal and/or material damage. Everyone is responsible for his own safety.

Offline Steve Ward

  • High Voltage Enthusiast
  • *
  • Posts: 45
  • Karma: +8/-0
    • View Profile
Re: New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2021, 06:08:33 PM »
Thanks for sharing this project!  Those long, ghostly, soft arcs are very nice for indoor demonstration!  Are you feeling the hair raise on your body, yet?  I put together a 5-stage (10X input multiplication) tower that could make 200kV and jump some 16" air gap, which agrees well with your 80cm for 400kV.  Even with 200kV, the ion streams could be intense, causing discharges several feet from the machine as "static" charge builds up on items nearby.

Is there any chance for recombining the parts from full-wave to half-wave to achieve higher voltages still? The high voltage DC corona plumes are fascinating, but very difficult to capture well on camera compared to the arcs, but at extremely high voltage it may be more interesting.

High Voltage Forum

Re: New High Voltage Mutliplier Setup
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2021, 06:08:33 PM »

 


* Recent Topics and Posts

post Re: Tesla Coil Show Controller Project
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Max
Today at 11:13:18 AM
post Re: repair of Panasonic microwave inverter
[Electronic Circuits]
Weston
Today at 10:08:34 AM
post Re: Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
Today at 03:20:42 AM
post Re: repair of Panasonic microwave inverter
[Electronic Circuits]
Twospoons
Today at 03:16:27 AM
post 3kW Cisco Server Supply teardown and help needed
[Electronic Circuits]
Da_Stier
July 23, 2021, 09:23:11 PM
post Re: IGBT question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
thedoc298
July 23, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
post Re: IGBT question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
futurist
July 23, 2021, 07:02:18 PM
post Re: IGBT question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
thedoc298
July 23, 2021, 05:33:57 PM
post Re: Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
GKnapp
July 23, 2021, 04:51:37 PM
post Re: Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
July 23, 2021, 03:52:46 AM
post Re: IGBT question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
thedoc298
July 22, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
post Re: Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
GKnapp
July 22, 2021, 08:50:34 PM
post Re: IGBT question
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
July 22, 2021, 08:47:23 PM
post Help needed - which IGBT module to buy
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
thedoc298
July 22, 2021, 07:01:24 PM
post Re: Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
July 22, 2021, 06:50:07 AM
post Re: Proper phase lead adjustment at the input
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
July 22, 2021, 06:39:37 AM
post Re: Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
alan sailer
July 21, 2021, 07:55:03 PM
post Horrible waveforms advice--just bad test setup?
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
GKnapp
July 21, 2021, 06:34:13 PM
post Re: Global shutter synchronized to arcs?
[DSLR]
Uspring
July 21, 2021, 05:10:18 PM
post Re: Tesla Coil Show Controller Project
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
July 21, 2021, 12:42:29 PM
post Re: Proper phase lead adjustment at the input
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Chrisader
July 21, 2021, 08:15:00 AM
post Re: Proper phase lead adjustment at the input
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
davekni
July 21, 2021, 04:57:04 AM
post Re: Micro-power continuity checker.
[Electronic Circuits]
davekni
July 21, 2021, 03:50:33 AM
post Re: Skm flyback destroyer 🤗
[Transformer (Ferrite Core)]
oneKone
July 21, 2021, 01:50:19 AM
post Proper phase lead adjustment at the input
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Chrisader
July 20, 2021, 10:06:14 PM
post Re: Micro-power continuity checker.
[Electronic Circuits]
klugesmith
July 20, 2021, 06:24:29 PM
post Micro-power continuity checker.
[Electronic Circuits]
davekni
July 20, 2021, 05:37:36 AM
post Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
davekni
July 20, 2021, 05:08:24 AM
post Re: Global shutter synchronized to arcs?
[DSLR]
davekni
July 20, 2021, 04:43:05 AM
post Re: Global shutter synchronized to arcs?
[DSLR]
TMaxElectronics
July 20, 2021, 12:09:36 AM
post Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
AstRii
July 19, 2021, 11:13:13 PM
post Another question on CT Feedback
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
Maverikie
July 19, 2021, 08:56:04 PM
post Re: Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
newage
July 19, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
post Re: Global shutter synchronized to arcs?
[DSLR]
klugesmith
July 19, 2021, 06:49:08 PM
post Re: Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
klugesmith
July 19, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
post Global shutter synchronized to arcs?
[DSLR]
davekni
July 19, 2021, 06:32:35 AM
post Re: Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
MRMILSTAR
July 19, 2021, 05:22:51 AM
post Re: Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
newage
July 19, 2021, 04:24:38 AM
post Re: a typical sstc half bridge design, any considerations or tips?
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
eli
July 19, 2021, 12:35:18 AM
post Re: a typical sstc half bridge design, any considerations or tips?
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
July 19, 2021, 12:15:43 AM
post a typical sstc half bridge design, any considerations or tips?
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
eli
July 18, 2021, 11:44:03 PM
post Re: HFSSTC design help and questions
[Solid State Tesla Coils (SSTC)]
eli
July 18, 2021, 09:33:40 PM
post Re: Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
johnf
July 18, 2021, 09:07:15 PM
post Re: Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
MRMILSTAR
July 18, 2021, 03:38:01 PM
post Best and stable version of video
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Transgarp
July 18, 2021, 03:33:31 PM
post Sync RSG motor problems - help and thoughts needed
[Spark Gap Tesla Coils (SGTC)]
newage
July 18, 2021, 01:30:46 PM
post Re: DRSSTC design advise / Primary peak current calculation
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Mads Barnkob
July 17, 2021, 10:05:39 AM
post Re: DRSSTC design advise / Primary peak current calculation
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
alan sailer
July 16, 2021, 11:01:43 PM
post Re: DRSSTC design advise / Primary peak current calculation
[Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla coils (DRSSTC)]
Martin
July 16, 2021, 09:55:50 AM
post Re: Skm flyback destroyer 🤗
[Transformer (Ferrite Core)]
Patrick
July 16, 2021, 09:54:50 AM

Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 
SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal