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Offline Maverikie

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Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
« on: April 16, 2021, 09:22:47 PM »
Dear HV member,

I'm new in the TC coil business. I'm trying to build a SSTC with inspiration from SSTC 5 from Steve Ward and SSTC 2 from Loneoceans. Ofcourse I have deviated from the suggested schematics.  ;D

So i've build the interrupter based on a ATTiny and the driver is based on two UCC37322P chips. One inverted by a SN74HC14N. It seems that the interrupter and driver are working fine. I think I've problems with the half bridge consisting of two IRGP50B60PD1.

So when I try to turn everything on, it's drawing a lot of current via the Variac. See below the schematic.



I used my scope to measure the following:

First pic.1: Gate of Q1
2: Gate of Q2
3: Input signal generator sine wave 150 khz
Second pic.1: Output UCC37322P without GDT
2: Output UCC37322P without GDT inverted
3: Input signal generator sine wave 150 khz.




Below pictures of the general setup:












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Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2021, 05:36:49 AM »
First issue appears to be wrong core type for GDT (and likely CT too).  Cores must be high-permeability ferrite, not powdered iron.  Mads has a good GDT tutorial, with links to it in several of his posts.  (Other GDT and CT construction info is around too - do some searching.)  Besides core type, it is best to have a 1:1:1 turns ratio wound with twisted-pair wire for low parasitic inductance (with gate-driver chip input power at 15V for IGBT drive).  1:2:2 can be constructed with reasonably-low parasitic inductance, but that is a bit more tricky and increases gate-driver load.

Second likely issue:  I don't see any insulating pad under IGBTs.  They need either insulation or separate insulated heat sinks.  The bottom surface is electrically connected to collector.

Plug-board construction is often problematic, especially for gate-driver chips with their high switching current peaks.  However, your construction is the cleanest I've seen for plug-boards, so you may be fine with that.

If you haven't tried JavaTC, that is a good idea to check your coil parameters for reasonability.

Great documentation with detailed pictures and scope traces!  That makes assistance so much easier than for many initial requests.
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Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2021, 09:34:02 AM »
Hi Maverikie and welcome to HVF :)

Davekni is fast and catches it all before any other can even finish sleep to reply ;)

Your IGBTs are not insulated, on page 10 you can see that the cooling connection on the back of it is assigned to Drain: https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-IRGP50B60PD1-DataSheet-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a401535656c5e9248a you you are effectively shorting out your two drain channels.

The GDT troubleshooting guide is written by Richie Burnett: http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/temp/gdt/gdt2.html
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Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2021, 07:20:58 PM »
Thanks a lot! Stupid mistake :-[.

I found out that I fried my IGTB's, but I had foreseen some rookie moves, so I already bought two extra ones.

When I replaced the originals I tested and got my first spark!! 8) 8)

I checked the waveform of my GDT and it seems good. See scope pic.

But right now I have problems with my heating boiler. Seems it doesn't like the RF noise on the mains ground. In my situation it's quite hard to have a separate RF grounding rod installed. I'm reading something about a line filter can be used to suppress the voltage spikes to mains ground. Anyone experience about this?




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Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2021, 01:24:59 AM »
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Davekni is fast and catches it all before any other can even finish sleep to reply
Yes, I live in Oregon (west coast of USA), so in one of the later time-zones of forum users.  My evening-time covers almost anything posted throughout the day.  You have many more tutorials and examples of coil builds - more helpful in many cases than my myopic focus on specific issues and questions.

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I checked the waveform of my GDT and it seems good. See scope pic.
Yes, I agree.  Fried IGBTs is a reasonable explanation for your previous gate waveforms rather than inappropriate GDT core choice.

Congratulations on first sparks!
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Re: Help needed with SSTC. First TC build
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2021, 10:14:06 PM »
It's working finally! Full power.

The interrupter circuit based on Attiny performed not so well. At higher power the input pins of the drivers went self-oscillating. And the Attiny turned itself of. I tried to shield it but didn't succeed. Any suggestions?

I tried the NE555 circuit from Steve Ward and it worked wonderful!


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